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Gene
Social climber
Two hours away
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Thank God the basement parking at the Awahnee is secure. Now maybe I can go do the Arches.
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Skully
Big Wall climber
Idaho
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I could EASILY pick off a monkey from the 'prow' of the Bismark{sic}. With an M-16. Keep your head down.....A more practical & cheaper rescue technique.
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Michelle
Social climber
Zone 10
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The really good marksmen use them to chop bolts from a distance...
ha ha Jody. Don't you have anything more to do than sit around the pool taking commando pictures of each other? (jk)
for some strange reason, the rangers seem to leave me alone. It might be because I don't emit a foul ranger-hating aura, but who knows, some harmless folks get pulled over for drunk driving when they haven't been drinking.. It seems to me that people want to bitch about THE MAN, even when THE MAN is making it so we can live in a society where we have enough time to bitch about THE MAN. The Valley seems like a pretty safe place considering the mutable transient population, all from cultures unlike our own. You'd think under these circumstances crime would be a lot worse there. And you complain about getting popped at your favourite stealth bivy or bugged at C4. Try to stealth bivy in Oakland, the cops will be the least of your worries.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Didn't take that one...stole it from a website.:)
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anachronism
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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If you play it cool and are HONEST most of the time you'll get no grief. . Hmm.. How come that isn't "If you play it cool and are honest they will NEVER give you any grief"?. Because they don't trust anyone. That feeling is mutual. I don't trust them.
Now I don't have a problem with these Tools toting whatever weapon they want so long as they are properly trained. With that in mind, I'd have to ask why there is one Tool armed in the ditch with a pistol much less a spudgun.
Oh.. and let's not let "Voice of Reason's" neat little comment go without pointing out the idiocy of it:
Who do you think rebolts a good portion of your favorite routes?
Who risks thier own lives rescuing climbers of all abilities when they get into trouble?
Climbers are Tools? Last I checked it was climbers that rebolted routes and it is climbers that make up the SAR team (and do the dangerous work). Not a bunch of un-trained wannabe rescue-Tools. It's either that or a lot of my good friends have a career I don't know about. Oh, or maybe you are confusing the wannabe rangers that want to be climbers (and want to be the guys doing the cool rescue work). I realize there are few trained climbers (Linc, etc.) but for each one of those we have 10 Keith Lobers.
I'm with radical on this one... click click...
Time to dig up the old and uncensored and orignal Bodycount... How's that go again? I'd like to take a pig...
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Brian in SLC
Social climber
Salt Lake City, UT
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"Time to dig up the old and uncensored and orignal Bodycount... How's that go again? I'd like to take a pig..."
Got my 12 guage sawed off...
Gonna dust some...
Plays a cop now on TV (NBC's Law and Order).
Way too funny...
-Brian in SLC
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Apocalypsenow
Trad climber
Cali
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With you Anachoronsim...
Do people REALLY think that rangers do the retrobolting and rescues???
I am surprised to see them get off their asses and get out of our rigs! (keep in mind, those guns they carry belong to us as well)
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Loom
climber
The Sierra or Merdead
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There is one ranger that has done some bolt replacement, but when he isn't retooling the rock he tries to tool climbers. I'm sure someone here could tell you how this guy went after Shipoopie.
One night last summer he spent 10 minutes standing on my rear bumper bounce testing my suspension, and I think he even made bear noises? (I was a bit groggy); that was kind of entertaining though.
All those rangers don't need all that firepower. A few rifles and a few highly trained LEOs are all that is necessary for the whole park. One on duty or on call in Wawona, one in Tuolumne, one in the valley, etc. I remember the night in '93 when I drove through the Tioga road just a few minutes after the ranger shot himself and claimed that someone else did it. You should have seen the bug-eyed rangers at the roadblocks; they were the frightening thing that night, not what might be (but wasn't) lurking in the trees. Shotguns and AR-15s were in every rangers hands, and I doubt that they were even all LEOs. They were terrified and jumpy. One ranger, when he was assigned to search my truck, pleaded with me to tell the truth and reassure him that I really would tell him if someone was hiding in the back of my truck; I was afraid he'd shoot my sleeping bag or pack. I remember thinking at the time that if a bear went lumbering through the pitch-dark forest the rangers would instantly open up in unison and carpet the forest with bullets like something out of a war movie.
I don't know about you, but I have not been impressed by the maturity or psychological stability of some of the rangers in Yos. And I certainly don't feel any safer in Yos, or believe that my girlfriend or any of my friends are any safer in Yos because some guy patrolling Yos -- who makes bear noises and jumps up and down on my bumper or does a 10 minute drum solo on my shell or turns on his siren when he drives by me and then turns around and does it again out of frustration because he can't roust me -- has a couple pistols, a shotgun, AND an AR-15.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Hey apoc...delete those question marks...you screwed up the thread and it is about two miles wide and I hate scrolling.
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Voice of Reason
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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Hey Anachronism,
I'm not saying all Rangers are Ned Flanders hippity helpful, just like any other sampling of the population you've got your bad eggs and the downright as#@&%es.
Yeah, SAR is made up of climbers in Yosemite but the majority of these climbers were not trained when they initially got on SAR (not to say they can't climb). The training came later, with experience, and was taught by, jeez.....the rangers. No SAR experience is necessary to get on YOSAR, just a good attitude and basic climbing skills.
And is it really so unfathomable that rangers would rebolt? Why the hell not? Rangers climb too, Lincoln's not the only one (thank god).
Anyways, climbers put rangers under the looking glass because they're thrown in a situation together. Tools would do the same to librarians, if they read that much.
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anachronism
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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Apoc, for once I have to agree with Jody - delete those question marks. Actually, it sounds like it annoys him. Perhaps you should leave them.
Voice, I don't argue that rangers train the SAR team but it is the SAR team the does the dangerous stuff. I won't argue that a ranger somewhere along the line replaced bolts but they are not the ones active in the community doing the MAJORITY of the bolts. So no, we don't have them to thank. that is where you are wrong. What we do have to thank them for is allowing for stories like the one Loom told. Comical! Thanks for that one Loom - I'm with ya there, bro...
peace out...
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Hmmm. strangely, the question marks wrap correctly for me and don't screw up anything, but prior to the recent web site changes, a post like that would have messed the whole thread up for me. What browsers are you guys that are seeing the problem using?
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jfk
climber
Santa Barbara, CA
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"What browsers are you guys that are seeing the problem using?"
IE 6.0
Good discussion, just a bit annoying to follow right now...please delete ????
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anachronism
Trad climber
Yosemite, CA
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Dingus, though you may be correct that still doesn't detract from the fun of calling those rangers a bunch of un-trained wannabee little d&ck@d Tools.
IE 5 - Mac flavor.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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i.e. 6 AND Netscape 7.0 are both screwed up by the ? marks.
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Jody
Mountain climber
CA
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Dingus...I know that it doesn't help my case here but in the interest of fairness and the search for the truth...the employee that was shot and ensuing manhunt...wasn't that later determined to be a self-inflicted wound and the outstanding suspect story was made up?
I did a google and couldn't come up with the story but for some reason I remember it as being self-inflicted.
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Nor Cal
Trad climber
San Mateo
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 6, 2004 - 07:25pm PT
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I heard about that ranger who was shot.
Was he shot with a .22?
The story I remember is that he set up the shooting because he wanted to see the rangers get bullet proof vest. I dont want to spread any false rumors but that is the story I recall.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Man, that's some real strong desire for a bulletproof vest.
I didn't mention it above. I'm on Safari 1.2.1.
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Apocalypsenow
Trad climber
Cali
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Question marks gone...sorry about that.
It is just that there is so much I question, like...
Why does a park ranger have to carry an automatic weapon?!
In Josh I was talking with a tool. I mentioned (jokingly) something about riot gear, his reponse,"we have it and are ready to use it." He said this with a serious tone...what the hell!
(duder, if you see this post my client flaked, the trampoline is too much fun sooooooo it was too late to make it to the ditch)
Good day all...
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can't say
Social climber
Pasadena CA
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looks like quite a few of us were near the Meadows the day that happened. My girlfriend and I were trying to get in from the Eastside and they turned us back. Went and did the Third Pillar instead.
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