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Oldfattradguy2
Trad climber
Here and there
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Nov 19, 2017 - 04:57am PT
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Romano
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Boymeetsrock
Trad climber
the east
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Nov 19, 2017 - 08:51am PT
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Peter Terbush
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Garboni
Trad climber
CA
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Nov 19, 2017 - 12:08pm PT
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Another vote for Richie Romano
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BLR
Trad climber
Lower Eastside
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2017 - 01:43pm PT
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1. The international climbing community's fair game;
2. Ante up your picks, even if they've already received a mention;
3. The why is important, because your why could be different from others'. In short, what did the legend do for you personally - inspiration, aspiration, etc.
In The Stonemasters, Long describes how the words of Buhl, Terray, Rebuffat, among others, influenced the founding members in myriad ways.
"We'd memorized quotes and immortal passages, including the mawkish book jacket copy from The West Ridge, Nanga Parbat Pilgrimmage, Starlight and Storm, even The Ascent of Rum Doodle. We'd recite the grave stuff sotto voce and then yell the gallant summit quips at the top of our lungs..." (p.26)
"...we'd return to The Basement to recite passages from Conquistadors of the Useless and a hundred other mountaineering books we'd devoured" (p.26).
"The Stonemaster was ushering us onto the High Lonesome where the Buhls and Terrays once roamed -- and where they had died" (p. 29).
The books themselves aren't folklore - they'd be considered media -- but the shared meaning between John, Rick, and Richard post-reading: pure folklore. Presumably they talked about Buhl, et al to others and encouraged them to read those books - would have to fact-check that, but if true, also folklore. And important folklore, given how the Stonemasters influenced the sport.
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rick d
climber
ol pueblo, az
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Nov 19, 2017 - 02:32pm PT
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certainly add Walt Shipley
Harvey Carter
went back to the desert a ton o times and started/edited Climbing Magazine
Bill Forrest
climbed all over the west and made a sit harness you could wear
Earl Wiggins
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/earl-wiggins-36198.html
Bob Kamps
do I have to tell you why
Jan and Herb Conn
Because they started this whole damn thing.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Nov 19, 2017 - 04:53pm PT
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Mouse...I was working by Chuck's mountain home today...was hoping he'd stick his head out...Rassler hi...rj
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 19, 2017 - 05:49pm PT
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Unfortunately, I don't recall much of those long-ago, or recent, nights of sitting around the campfire, discussing the feats of climbing folk heroes.
I do remember a mid-1970's evening of campfire conversation with some of the Lowes at the campground by Columbia Icefields & a late 70's evening in Yosemite's Mountain Room bar, where we got to share a small table with Bridwell & his girlfriend.
Those folks went off to paint masterpieces in the mountains & we continued to "dabble in colors." I was impressed, but not enough so, to tell stories around campfires about what they had said in those evenings.
I was much more impressed when British climber, writer, photographer, cinematographer, John Cleare visited my outdoor store in Moscow, Idaho in 1974 on a U.S. lecture tour sponsored by Royal Robbins.
John drank with us after the "slide-shows," slept on my couch, & even climbed with us for a couple days, then returned the next year for another show & more stories.
He told stories about British & Scottish climbers in dialect, & painted vivid word pictures of legends he had climbed & drank with. Tom Patey & Don Whillans suddenly became larger than life folk heroes to me & have remained so.
A Patey story, A Short Walk With Whillans, from Patey's 1971 book, One Man's Mountains, helps explain why:
Eiger North Face
There is something about Don’s proverbial bluntness that arouses one’s admiration. Of such stuff are generals made. We had a short discussion about bivouacking, but eventually I had to agree with his arguments and occupy the outer berth. It would be less likely to induce claustrophobia, or so I gathered.
“I’ll have one of your cigarettes,” said Don. “I’ve only brought Gauloises.” This was a statement of fact, not a question.
Then later in this classic story:
“I’m going down,” he said. “That’s what’s going on.”
“Wait a minute! Let’s discuss the whole situation calmly.”
I stretched out one hand to flick the ash off my cigarette. Then a most unusual thing happened. There was a higher pitched “WROUFF” than usual and the end of my cigarette disappeared! It was the sort of subtle touch that Hollywood film directors dream about.
“I see what you mean,” I said. “I’m going down too.”
Of course, there are many who have shared tales of Don Whillans.
He shines in my ST thread: Gauloises, Don Whillans, the Frogs, and Climbing History
http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1410426&tn=40
Some more Whillans tales show up in this story shared by Leo Dickenson.
A Whillans Tale
https://www.thebmc.co.uk/a-whillans-tale
While visiting Moscow, Idaho in 1974, John Cleare shared that he had been on the ill-fated 1971 International Everest Expedition.
Don Whillans had hiked in fat & out of shape, then had gotten fit during a long, long time at high-altitude on the SW Face of Everest, while the fit young lions with him became gaunt survivors. Eventually Dougal Haston & Whillans spent 3 weeks pushing the route to within 1,500 vertical feet of the summit before giving up & retreating to Base Camp after all the other remaining climbers had also given up & retreated.
The expedition leader Norman Dyhrenfyrth, wrote an account of the expedition for the American Alpine Club & this excerpt deals with the circumstances of the final failed push for the summit:
http://publications.americanalpineclub.org/articles/12197200700/Everest-Revisted-The-International-Himalayan-Expedition-1971
Towards the middle of May Haston and Whillans established Camp VI near the top of the snow ramp, at a height of 27,200 feet. They received strong and unselfish support from the Japanese and our faithful Sherpas. Ito and Uemura carried oxygen to the highest camps without using any themselves. Seventeen Sherpas moved a total of 55 loads up to Camp V; six made the back-breaking ascent four times, and two carried without oxygen as far as Camp VI! And Michel Vaucher declared in interviews and newspaper accounts, the Sherpas had refused to move up the Face!
The bad weather continued, and exceptional cold rendered technical climbing all but impossible. The flow of supplies dwindled to a trickle. Another camp would have been needed above the Rock Band. When Whillans — at the end of a traverse to the right — reached the crest of the South Buttress, he could see moderately angled slopes leading up to the normal route just below the South Summit. Should they abandon the Face for the sake of a summit “victory” at the last minute? The public at large would no doubt consider the expedition to be a full success, but mountaineers think differently. The 1970 ascent by way of the South Col was judged a failure in leading Japanese climbing circles, since the clearly stated objective of the expedition had been the Face. IHE 71’s goal too was the summit by way of the Face, and not “victory at all costs”, by any route. Whillans acted accordingly and returned to Haston. Together they climbed 300 feet up an icy couloir in the Rock Band, fixing ropes. But then they too had reached the end of the line. There was still some oxygen left at Camp VI, but no more butane and precious little to eat.
For more than three weeks they had lived at high altitude without coming down to Advance Base once — a world record and dramatic proof of their incredible toughness, as well as of the superb oxygen system developed by Duane Blume! The combination of snowstorm, intense cold, rockfall, avalanches and faltering supply lines put an end to the struggle.
On May 21 news of the expedition’s failure was announced to the outside world.
John Cleare told me a story from the end of the 1971 Everest Expedition, about the return of Haston & Whillans to base camp.
Haston came staggering down the final slopes with Whillans slightly behind. As Sherpas rushed out to Haston & helped support him back to base camp, Whillans paused, pulled out the remains of a pint of whiskey, drained it, tossed it on the snow, then played soccer with it while striding down to camp.
I believe such feats have made Whillans my favorite Folk Hero.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Nov 19, 2017 - 06:08pm PT
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Depends upon how far back in time you want to go.
Walter Parry Haskett Smith (He started rock climbing as a sport in Great Britain about 1881)
Oscar Eckenstein (Perhaps the first serious boulderer in the modern sense, 1880s)
Aleister Crowley (Perhaps the first druggy and/or spiritual climber, 1880s)
Oscar Perry Smith (America's first accomplished rock climber, 1900)
Pierre Allain (legendary for his equipment and bouldering as well as rock climbing, 1930s)
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Nov 19, 2017 - 06:49pm PT
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Using these criteria:
6. Folk heroes crystallize the culture -- the norms, symbols, customs, beliefs, fears, etc -- of the community that swaps stories about them. So another way to think about this is, who most exemplifies the culture of the community? Anti-heroes fair game.
I nominate Walt Shipley, in the category of Yosemite-based folk heroes of the 80s.
3. The why is important, because your why could be different from others'. In short, what did the legend do for you personally - inspiration, aspiration, etc.
Sorry to go the Möbius route here, Brad, but the why is because he: crystallizes the culture -- the norms, symbols, customs, beliefs, fears, etc -- of the community that swaps stories about him.
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ryankelly
climber
Bhumi
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Nov 19, 2017 - 07:05pm PT
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gotta be....Werner
ohhhhh mon
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Nov 19, 2017 - 10:45pm PT
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So every where I go in these pages, when we all get stumped, can not remember more than that it might have been. .
There's one Maven of the countless One Guy? whos arc runs from the east in days of yor till the future, if the book ever publishes that is. . .B+)
Clint Cummings
Sorry??
Steve Grossman,
Nah that book Jab I have to mean Clint
Oh And then theres a guy I do not know , also, but I once challenged him in these pages - As to who the hell he thought he was stripping the cliffs of history, removing Hardings relics Replacing Time Bombs & such. . .
Greg Barns
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Nov 19, 2017 - 11:26pm PT
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From a Vancouver perspective, I'd suggest (in no particular order)
Les MacDonald
Dick Culbert (who? you ask)
These two have enough legends and pseudo-legends surrounding them so that they qualify.
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Don Paul
Mountain climber
Denver CO
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Nov 20, 2017 - 06:53am PT
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They begin to qualify at about 5.13, and only then by promoting their work through photos, writing, ambassadorships, and shoe sales. And also the Dirtbag Diaries and Enormocast can turn just about anyone into a climbing hero; ex James Lucas. (just joking, carry on naming old climbers)
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Tricouni
Mountain climber
Vancouver
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Nov 20, 2017 - 04:43pm PT
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I forgot to mention Jim Baldwin. Lots of stories around him.
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ground_up
Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
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Nov 20, 2017 - 06:55pm PT
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Charlie porter
Yabo
Tucker Tech
Tobin
Beckey
Kauk
Croft
Bachar
Bridwell
dang , my list could keep going....
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Oplopanax
Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
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Nov 21, 2017 - 11:59am PT
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IIRC Ben Firth did the Lougheed traverse FWA in Carhartts and garden gloves.
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Nov 21, 2017 - 01:38pm PT
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Being a Coloradocentric kind of guy (even though I now live in CA), for me, I gotta go with Layton. You could just imagine that guy doing/overcoming anything!
As far as a folk hero that I know, I'd have to go with Jimmy Newberry, now there's someone with lots of character.
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Scole
Trad climber
Zapopan
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Nov 21, 2017 - 02:27pm PT
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Dave Yerian
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Nov 21, 2017 - 04:33pm PT
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As a kid, I had a lot of heroes and the power of these people was to light the fuse and get out there and carry on the tradition.
Each hero had some particular feature that we melded into a kind of composite dude to try and live up to. My heroes were Buhl, Robbins, Gill, Bridwell and Pratt. The internal game was to try and do things these guys would be proud of, and not do stuff we imagined would cheapen the game.
Nobody was perfect in this regards but it was an adventure to try.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Nov 21, 2017 - 04:40pm PT
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i drove through the night without sunscreen,
slipped thru ag stops with undisclosed bananas,
and now i'm home, sweating extradition over slideshow raffle winnings, but ...
i HAD to meet the man who unloaded a clip of 9mm slugs into the clogged cat converter of a GERMAN sports car
choosing, in his wisdom, a MAUSER! of all weapons to execute the deed in full view of the vehicle's owner
and within the jurisdiction of the state of california.
i move Ksolem to the top of my list
on the basis of that act alone.
practical, so practical
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