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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 21, 2016 - 07:23am PT
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Now everyone be sure to tell your doggies that climbing is an inherently dangerous activity.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Apr 21, 2016 - 08:27am PT
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I think they should pass a law requiring Ladwp to put up doggie guard rails like they made the petting zoo in Moorpark put up for the goats. Cuz they might fall and hurt themselves.
Good grief.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Apr 21, 2016 - 09:21am PT
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The endangered bighorn sheep are currently migrating through pine creek and birthing their lambs up there. The sheep are particularly wary of dogs and our local fish and wildlife crew is extremely concerned about the potential for negative interactions between the sheep and climbers. They are currently observing the climbing activity in the canyon to see what impact it may be having on the bighorns.
Please, if you're going to climb in pine creek, leave your dog at home.
Oops. Although this was last fall so the migrating thing may or may not have been going on then.
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rwedgee
Ice climber
CA
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Apr 21, 2016 - 10:54am PT
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Hey say hey there say, I wrote a poem.
Doggy doggy I got you from the pound,
Doggy doggy I wish you didn't drown,
Doggy doogy your tail will never wag,
Doggy doggy I shouldn't have taken you to the crag.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Apr 21, 2016 - 11:19am PT
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"Astro Dog," a great route in the Black Canyon was named by the first ascensionists who found a tourist's dog at the base....a nice 1,800 ft. ride.
The Black is a National Park and all dogs are supposed to be kept on leashes at all times. Just another instance of a dog owner flouting the rules and their doggie payed the ultimate penalty.
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portent
Social climber
your mom's house
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Apr 21, 2016 - 01:25pm PT
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Dear Supertopo Cry Baby Club,
You anti-dog people should be looking at their owners. I bring my dog to the crag all the time and he is perfectly behaved. It's not the dog its the owner.
Kovar
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Apr 21, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
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^^^^^^ that is Burchey gold right there, cracking me up
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Apr 21, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
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Dear Kovar Dog Owner,
Your dog sucks at the crag too.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Apr 21, 2016 - 07:10pm PT
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KOVAR KOVAR KOVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111666
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Mule Skinner
Social climber
Bishop
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Apr 21, 2016 - 08:43pm PT
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Scared dog can never swim.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Apr 25, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
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WTF are you even talking about?
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okie
Trad climber
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Apr 25, 2016 - 08:55pm PT
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What Tami said. People have died trying to cross rivers because they thought being tied in would save them. Just the opposite.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Apr 26, 2016 - 06:49am PT
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WTF are you even talking about?
Took the words out of my keyboard...
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Apr 26, 2016 - 10:17am PT
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What do you care gym climber?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 26, 2016 - 11:02am PT
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Harmonic disequilibrium in the Dog Zone is almost invariably introduced by human intervention.
Use of single-sample genetic methods to estimate effective population size has skyrocketed in recent years. Although the underlying models assume discrete generations, they are widely applied to age-structured species. We simulated genetic data for 21 iteroparous animal and plant species to evaluate two untested hypotheses regarding performance of the single-sample method based on linkage disequilibrium (LD): (1) estimates based on single-cohort samples reflect the effective number of breeders in one reproductive cycle (Nb), and (2) mixed-age samples reflect the effective size per generation (Ne). We calculated true Ne and Nb, using the model species' vital rates, and verified these with individual-based simulations. We show that single-cohort samples should be equally influenced by Nb and Ne and confirm this with simulated results: [Formula: see text] was a linear (r(2) = 0.98) function of the harmonic mean of Ne and Nb. We provide a quantitative bias correction for raw [Formula: see text] based on the ratio Nb/Ne, which can be estimated from two or three simple life history traits. Bias-adjusted estimates were within 5% of true Nb for all 21 study species and proved robust when challenged with new data. Mixed-age adult samples produced downwardly biased estimates in all species, which we attribute to a two-locus Wahlund effect (mixture LD) caused by combining parents from different cohorts in a single sample. Results from this study will facilitate interpretation of rapidly accumulating genetic estimates in terms of both Ne (which influences long-term evolutionary processes) and Nb (which is more important for understanding eco-evolutionary dynamics and mating systems).
More simply, humans should never place a dog in a place where it does not belong. Even 911 can't remove the sometimes disassterous effects of the disharmony.
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spectreman
Trad climber
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Apr 26, 2016 - 02:45pm PT
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Camaron sholly
"Glad, one less stupid dog at the crags"
Really? That's what you would say to the people who just lost their dog?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Apr 26, 2016 - 02:54pm PT
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Define "lost"
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Apr 26, 2016 - 06:11pm PT
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Camaron sholly is just full of quality posts. All full of positivity and practical input.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 26, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
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I guess it's the anonymity, but there's something about the net that sure brings out the wonderful in people.
Anyway, back to the OP: Just be careful with the hounds crossing the OR.
That is all.
BAd
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