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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 12, 2015 - 03:05pm PT
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I like to imagine how different policing would be if it were done by women only. :)
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 12, 2015 - 03:07pm PT
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Don't forget to factor in how much these guys who irritate the gangsters so much make when they retire.
According to Transparent California, in 2013, the average San Diego police officer retiree who had at least 25 years of service credit prior to retirement received an annual pension benefit of $94,425. This excludes chiefs and assistant chiefs, which would raise the average further. The average years of service for these retirees was only 28.78, suggesting that many police officers take advantage of the ability to retire as young as 50 and still receive their maximum pension benefits.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 12, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
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I'm not pro-law enforcement but those cops have to deal with a lot of stupid american as#@&%es...Not condoning their rogue behavior but i can see why some of them snap...
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 12, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
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can see why some of them snap...
All the more reason for better screening and monitoring. It's only a sample of two, but neither my uncle nor his son, both cops in the mean streets of Detroit ever snapped. Did they have strong opinions? You bet, but they never pulled on gun on anyone.
Not my uncle.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Aug 12, 2015 - 08:05pm PT
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Z-brown...Which one of those guys was your uncle...?
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GuapoVino
climber
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Aug 12, 2015 - 09:29pm PT
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My teenage son has had a cop go to his gun on him twice.
Once was in a road rage incident. Evidently my son and the driver of another vehicle had flipped each other off for some reason (stupid). At a red light the other driver, behind my son, got out of his car with a bat. My son saw the bat and took off through a red light. A cop was sitting perpendicular and saw what was going down, drove up to the guy with the bat and got out. The guy with the bat said my son had a gun (which he didn't) so the cop went after him and got him on the ground at gun point. The cop eventually realizes that he's been duped, apologizes to my son and speeds off after the guy with the bat.
The second time was when my son was in the office at school (again, stupid) and was going to text me to tell me to come get him. The school cop tells him to put his phone down. My son tells him that he's texting his dad (I'm sure saying it with attitude). The cop screams at him to put down the phone, slaps the phone and gets in a stance like he's about to draw his weapon and puts his hand on his gun. Then next day the cop calls me and apologizes for "things getting a little heated" and him "maybe overreacting a little bit".
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Aug 12, 2015 - 09:38pm PT
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If federal and state judges don't know or can't figure out what's lawful under the constitution, why would you think 20-something year olds with a high school degree, and maybe a few years of college can? It's delusional to think you can hire and train hundreds of thousands of officers as social workers, psychologists, mental health professions, constitutional scholars, and that they can respond appropriately in every situation. There are always gonna be errors as long as humans are involved.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 12, 2015 - 10:09pm PT
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The second time was when my son was in the office at school (again, stupid) and was going to text me to tell me to come get him. The school cop tells him to put his phone down. My son tells him that he's texting his dad (I'm sure saying it with attitude). The cop screams at him to put down the phone, slaps the phone and gets in a stance like he's about to draw his weapon and puts his hand on his gun. Then next day the cop calls me and apologizes for "things getting a little heated" and him "maybe overreacting a little bit".
Your son's school has it own cop that carries a loaded gun?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Aug 12, 2015 - 10:20pm PT
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According to Transparent California, in 2013, the average San Diego police officer retiree who had at least 25 years of service credit prior to retirement received an annual pension benefit of $94,425
SICKENING. When and where was the vote for Californians to pay that kind of money???
If there were only a thousand of them, that's a BILLION a year!
No wonder my kids school can't afford pencils.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 13, 2015 - 06:13am PT
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According to Transparent California, in 2013, the average San Diego police officer retiree who had at least 25 years of service credit prior to retirement received an annual pension benefit of $94,425
SICKENING. When and where was the vote for Californians to pay that kind of money???
If there were only a thousand of them, that's a BILLION a year!
No wonder my kids school can't afford pencils.
I's just as bad on the East Coast.... And here they get free healthcare for life on TOP of their 100k+ pensions.
And this holds true for tiny rural towns around here with close to zero violent crime.
Not sure how it works in CA, but it CT the pension is calculated on the last two years total compensation. So routinely you'll find cops in that position working 80+ hours/week for the overtime to skew that calculation.
It's insane.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Aug 13, 2015 - 08:02am PT
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Maybe most here haven't really thought this whole issue through about why there are too dammed many cops out there. It's all about non-tax revenue generation for various municipalities; they need the revenue brought in from traffic violations. The main reason there are ridiculous speed limits in place around schools, even though the playgrounds are fenced off and most of the time the kids are in classrooms.
As a horrible example, the "City" of Federal Heights, a Denver outlier (bedroom community) had very few traditional homes, and most residents lived in mobile home communities (trailer parks), so there was very little property tax revenue generated. When I still lived in Colorado 30 years ago, it was risky to drive through the giant speed trap known as Federal Heights. They had...like zero tolerance for speeders...and huge fines. That was their primary source of revenue. They needed lots of cops to run their "municipality," through revenue generation. It had little or nothing to do with "public safety."
In Casper, Wyoming, there are plenty of these intermittent flashing yellow lights that drastically change the speed limit down to 20 mph, particularly from 11:30 till 1:30, the High School lunch hours. A friend has a business within this speed trap zone, and he claims seeing at least 5-6 tickets being written on a daily basis, all at $220 a pop. I'm knowledgeable about this zone and usually avoid going there, or watch my speed accordingly. But I've never seen anyone on any of the sidewalks near the school during that time window.
Whenever the politicians start asking for more money for "essential services," such as more police cars, etc., just say no thanks. It doesn't impact public safety, and simply increases the probability that you will run afoul of the "law."
End of Rant.
Added as an "Edit." This unfortunate solution to short term problems generates an eve more insidious issue when these cops all retire: it places an even greater burden on the non-existent fixed revenues. Cities like Stockton, CA, have to declare bankruptcy. A pox on ALL politicians, of every ilk.
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Aug 13, 2015 - 08:17am PT
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That math doesn't make sense to me at all. How many tickets does a cop have to write to even come close to paying for that officer? Their salary, benefits, the cost of them just being out on the street, all the other employees that support that officer (dispatchers, fleet services, insurance etc...)...I just can't imagine that adding police is ever really making anyone any money no matter how many tickets they issue.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Aug 13, 2015 - 08:37am PT
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That's the other big issue here too... They keep adding cops in these little departments around me that have NO need for them. The populations in rural CT are actually declining. I go and bitch about this at the town meetings and I'm looked at like the bad guy. The tiny force in the town I live in has doubled from 5 to 10 full time cops in 10 years with zero growth and zero crime.
But the majority of the idiots here "feel safer" with more cops... So aggravating....
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Aug 13, 2015 - 08:43am PT
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If one cop writes $1320 of tickets in one 2 hour time window at lunch, and the same number in the morning and afternoon, that equates to one cop writing out $3960 in tickets a day, or $85,140 a month, thems good numbers. Even if this is a high estimate by even 20 %, bringing it down to ~ $70,000 a month for 9 months, that equates to $630,000 per year in NON TAX REVENUES! From ONE cop. There are lots of schools in Casper, and then the construction zone have similar speed enforcement traps. This doesn't take into account the other hours of the shift generating even more $$$. I would guess that a single traffic cop could generate ~$800,000 per year in fine revenues. Casper has Waaaaay more cops than it needs for public safety.
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 13, 2015 - 08:43am PT
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Yes, thanks crimpergirl for the interesting post.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Aug 13, 2015 - 08:51am PT
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This is an interesting photo even though my uncle isn't it it.
Did the cop just confiscate that gun? Does he have another one in his back pocket? Or is the guy looking to supplement his $100K retirement with some chump change? Why are the men doing pushups but not the cops and women? Sissies? Is that guy in the backgound getting ready to shoot the woman? What's that on the ground?
I wish rDog was here to explain all this.
Anybody else on the ST there that day?
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Aug 13, 2015 - 09:18am PT
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If one cop writes $1320 of tickets in one 2 hour time window at lunch, and the same number in the morning and afternoon, that equates to one cop writing out $3960 in tickets a day, or $85,140 a month, thems good numbers. Even if this is a high estimate by even 20 %, bringing it down to ~ $70,000 a month for 9 months, that equates to $630,000 per year in NON TAX REVENUES! From ONE cop. There are lots of schools in Casper, and then the construction zone have similar speed enforcement traps. This doesn't take into account the other hours of the shift generating even more $$$. I would guess that a single traffic cop could generate ~$800,000 per year in fine revenues. Casper has Waaaaay more cops than it needs for public safety.
Real numbers? Where did you come up with these? $1320 in 2 hours at your "$220" per ticket comes out to 20 minutes per ticket. I have a hard time believing a cop could catch one speeder every 20 minutes and get done doing all the things involved in writing a ticket. I know that the few times I've been pulled over, it has always taken longer than 15 minutes for sure. Now imagine, per your math, doing that twice a day, every day for nine months per cop. Possible? Maybe, but I seriously doubt it. I'd be willing to believe that some of that is public record and actual numbers can be found.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Aug 13, 2015 - 09:23am PT
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It seems a few of you didn't know how much city county gov employees make... you were shocked?
btw, ps, a thousand times 100k is not a billion.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Aug 13, 2015 - 10:08am PT
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Alpy-
I know that these tickets are $220 each; I received one 2 1/2 years ago. They haven't gotten cheaper. It takes less than 10 minutes to write a single ticket. The real "hook" is finding the occasional driver with either an expired DL, their license plates expired, or no proof of insurance. I even put in a 20% lowering "fudge factor" in my estimates. The Summer road construction areas are also "target rich" environments for traffic cops, where the fines are doubled.
One of the extra added benefits of these tickets, is the increased cost of auto insurance, as a result.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Aug 13, 2015 - 10:34am PT
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Broke, consider yourself lucky to live in a cheap ticket state. When the friendly WHP officer
stopped me a couple years ago heading south from Big Sandy imagine my delight to find out
that 80 in a 65 was only $85!!!!!
"DOOD! Gimme two at that rate!"
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