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FRUMY
Trad climber
Bishop,CA
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Mar 29, 2017 - 07:03am PT
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For a" smart guy" he says a lot of dumb things.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 24, 2017 - 03:57pm PT
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Apr 24, 2017 - 04:06pm PT
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For a" smart guy" he says a lot of dumb things.
Yep.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 24, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
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Big article in LA Times today about Tesla's problems and how a lot of people are 'shorting' Tesla.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Apr 24, 2017 - 05:45pm PT
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Is it just me or does anybody else think that boy has too many irons in the fire?
I agree, and I am not a musk fan.
You guys keep drinking the koolaid...Musk is dangerous.
I don't see him as being dangerous, but I see him being very egotistical
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 24, 2017 - 06:47pm PT
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What would you do if you had some big successes that made more possibilities accessible to you than for most people, and you had big visions about what the world could be and what your role could be toward achieving that? Our time here is short, no time for dilly-dallying if your dreams are big enough.
Perhaps it does take a damn lot of arrogance to dream on a grand scale, and to boldly act on it. Whatever character flaws the man may possess- which I am not informed about for lack of interest- I admire the spirit of dreaming big and taking steps to make it real.
Few are those who can make a beautiful sandcastle and many are those who are satisfied with tearing them down.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 24, 2017 - 07:07pm PT
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As for the Neural link stuff... I do not look forward to being part of a world where that is required to be competitive, but I do see that it is coming and I think Musk has the right vision. A few months back I watched some panel of smart dudes talking about the implications of AI on our future society. Musk's response in that venue (which clearly telegraphed his plans for a company in this space) I thought was the most prescient. On the one hand my jaded self saw it as another opportunistic marketing pitch for another one of his companies, but if you spend some time to think about the real ways in which AI will change our society... he is spot on.
The technology is real, it won't be stopped, and it will give advantages to those who use it. If you believe this, perhaps the best way to manage our society short of destroying technology (but you can't put the genie back in the bottle without returning humanity to the stone-age) is to make it accessible to all. If the technology is democratized, then we have effectively the same societal battles that we do today but operating on a higher plane of efficiency. But if the technology only goes to the elite/rich folks, it causes a dramatic acceleration and end-game to the divide between rich and poor. It almost becomes a speciation event, where normal humans become just another class of animals and enhanced humans become the rulers of the Earth.
I don't fear the role of artificial enhancements in my life. I see the technology created by humans as just a super-primitive version of what nature has been improving for billions of years. I am paying more attention to molecular biology lately (because my wife's work has exposed me to it more) and it is frickin miraculous. She works to reverse engineer how the machinery of life works and see what problems it solves, and I come at it from the opposite side using computer science and systems design to take a problem and figure out a solution for it. There is a natural analytical convergence of those professions.
But I do fear what our government agencies and corporations and power-obsessed people will do with the technology. It's a bit hard to see how humanity makes it through our relative infancy. This goes way beyond giving a little kid a book of matches and lighter fluid.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Apr 24, 2017 - 08:50pm PT
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What would you do if you had some big successes that made more possibilities accessible to you than for most people, and you had big visions about what the world could be and what your role could be toward achieving that? Our time here is short, no time for dilly-dallying if your dreams are big enough.
As I said, IMO he is more of a hedonist than he is an altruist.
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john hansen
climber
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Apr 24, 2017 - 09:08pm PT
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I got 100 shares of Tesla 3 years ago for $196 per share.
Up 57 percent . Pretty small investment, so I will ride it up or down unless something really bad happens and I get out at $100 or so.
I think the battery storage increase alone is worth the risk.
In a way he is the Henry Ford of the early 21st century, streamlining production of a repeatable process ( making batteries) that can be put in banks to store energy at off peak demand hours. Its just a great concept like lego's or the Model A. Simple but effective. Same with the reusable
first stage rockets. Saves 50 percent of the cost for a launch.
I will hold and this will be probably be the last stock I sell when I am 84.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Apr 24, 2017 - 09:42pm PT
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^^^Nice. We saw those batteries on tv a year ago, but I still haven't seen them homedepot yet? We're waiting for them here in the JTree outback.
I agree with NutAgain mostly. Musk isn't in it to provide for the masses, he's serving the elite. Otherwise I think he'd be doing what he's doing in China.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 24, 2017 - 10:48pm PT
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All you Musk Aid drinkers can go to Mars with him although I'd put large
money on him being too chicken to go.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Apr 25, 2017 - 05:09am PT
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^^^^Good one. I'm a science loving guy and the whole "no worries about effing up this place cuz we will soon be colonizing Mars" bandwagon is just silly sci if cultism - hey, I love Star Wars and TNG as much as the next guy, but I'm enough of an adult to know the difference between that stuff and reality based science and economics.
We have enough sh#t to deal with here and the keep your feet on the ground making of science serve real needs for real people means being grown up enough to keep the bulk of science focused on real and sustainable solutions for problems we have here and now.
The ground we stand on and the air we breath on this stone is what we have to work with.
We have the capacity to send a few people to Mars and hang out for a little while and come back with a few buckets of samples. Would that be cool? Yeah. Is it important compared to keeping this place running well and sustaining us into the future? No.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Apr 25, 2017 - 07:35am PT
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Why not colonize the moon? That sure seems more doable than Mars for a practice attempt at building some kind of experimental base. Then we can dig up the ark on the darkside and explore the universe in it.
Musk though is much like Jobs in that he attracts a cult-like following.
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Ashland, Oregon
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Apr 25, 2017 - 09:08am PT
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That's awesome! Thanks, Reilly!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 25, 2017 - 10:12am PT
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I don't fear the role of artificial enhancements in my life.
Are you sure?
DMT
I should clarify ;)
I don't fear the changes in me as a consequence of modification... probably because I haven't considered it enough! But I certainly do fear the impacts on my life as a result of the changes that will come in our society and individuals around me.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Apr 28, 2017 - 09:28am PT
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^^ unlikely analysis ^^
Grohman will litigate if there are any contract violations.
More of a direction of company clash issue.
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