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Ibex
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 16, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
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I have made my point clear,
and I am happy to leave it here.
If you can, please point to one of the previous 81 responses
that clearly states that someone (himself/herself) has tested
the SP with a rope that did not pass the hand test and he/she
has found that it actually locks in a real fall scenario.
NO ONE has said this so far.
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Deekaid
climber
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Aug 16, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
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you and the hand test jerk harder and faster that's what she said... I'm done now Chicken Little
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Aug 16, 2013 - 05:57pm PT
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I have nothing to add except that I was playing hookey the other day and after the days climb was over, had to hike back down to the base and there was Studly about to fire off on a solo climb. Now I wish I'd taken a photo to add to this thread or at least payed attention to what he was using or how he was tying in......
Anyway, good luck with the device Ibex, your title to this thread was overly dramatic, but if it keeps even one person out of the dirt cause they exercised extra caution and testing with what ever device they choose, then what the heck. I've tried most of the devices out there and really don't care much for any of them.
To all, not saying anything folks don't know already, but a gentle reminder that cold weather will retard your Silent Partner, and may totally disable it. Retard, heh heh.....
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Aug 16, 2013 - 08:22pm PT
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i got an idea.
i'll start a silent partner beauty thread,
to counter this utter bullshite
that spilled out in some un-called for tear-party,
and we'll give blanchard and shipoopi and the other
brave designers that gifted us this great device
their due-positive-credit.
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Ibex
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 17, 2013 - 03:49am PT
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Tioga, I do not line up with you. The Silent Partner is ingeniously designed, and it is the best solo-belay device out there for the people who need one. I have done most of my solos without a rope, but when I need to self-belay, silent is my partner and it will always be. Yet, remembering of Karl Popper, what you say that "it takes only one failed test to uncover a problem..." is definitely true. There are always some naive disbelievers... Deekaid, go and aid your deek with a fast jerk.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 17, 2013 - 06:23am PT
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Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the device. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the rope. It's simply just a sub-optimal pairing.
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Ibex
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 22, 2013 - 09:55am PT
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It's simply just a sub-optimal pairing.
According to Shakespeare, it is as you like it, but only for you.
Do you believe what I said, that the SP hand-test failed regardless
of how fast and strong I pulled? If yes, then WHY do you conclude so
easily that it is a minor issue? I have no personal interest, here.
Just asking.
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kaholatingtong
Trad climber
Nevada City
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Aug 22, 2013 - 10:30am PT
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wait, your telling me .... IM GONNA DIE? original.
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Ibex
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2013 - 04:12am PT
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...your test indicates nothing other than perhaps you should use a different rope. That is exactly what I have been saying, dude. If you and other users like, we can chatter here eternally, but the bottom line is, to say it one last time: "do not use the SP with a brand-new, waterproof treated rope (extra slippery) without testing it first up to your own standards". My standards require that the rope should function with the SP at least as described in the manual (hand-pull test). Please leave it here.
Enjoy your solo voyages,
Ibex
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Ibex
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 23, 2013 - 05:39pm PT
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Either you can justify what you are saying, or that is nonsense.
Why do you think that my requirement is an "unreasonable" expectation
from a rope? If your brake pedal feels spongy, will you keep driving
as normal without checking the brakes?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Aug 23, 2013 - 05:56pm PT
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kev
climber
A pile of dirt.
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Aug 23, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
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You know if you keep it up the only partner you will have is your silent partner. If you're so freaked out don't use it.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Aug 23, 2013 - 11:18pm PT
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would you kindly cease the senseless banter?
please refrain from the unwarranted slander?
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Ibex
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 06:58am PT
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If you're so freaked out don't use it. I am not at all freaked out. All my ropes work perfectly with the SP.
Simply, one of them failed the hand-pull test when it was brand new
and slippery. Keep that in mind, and that is all about it.
Thanks for reading.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Aug 25, 2013 - 10:27am PT
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Jeezus f*#king christ.. you guys are still here going round and round about this?. Everyone's repeating themselves over and over at this point.
Just go climb something and get the hell away from this thread.
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Ibex
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 25, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
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I try to end it, but you are working against.
Please rest in peace, all of you :-)
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Febs
Trad climber
Northern Italy
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Nov 26, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
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Ibex... have you got any reply from Rock Exotica? You wrote "I will let you all know when I hear back from Rock Exotica" so I'd really know what was the official answer to your concerns.
If a super new skinny rope can actually be an issue with the SP, I simply think that the manual should be updated accordingly.
That manual covers plenty of things in accurate detail - as it should be for any climbing device, especially a solo one - and this info would be an important addition. After all, if the manual is not touched since decades as it looks (other than to replace "wren industries" with "rock exotica" on the cover, I mean) it would be simply fair and necessary to update it considering that probably single ropes as super-coated as the one you tested did not exist at the time the SP was engineered and released.
Just thinking.
Oh, by the way: Yer gonna die!!!
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