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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Aug 15, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
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What's the name of the behavior of repeatedly pressing the button at:
a street crossing
a lobby waiting for the elevator
an argument with your (wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend)
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there's gotta be a law governing this.
oh yeah,
and
if one's good two's better
[call me in the morning]
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Aug 15, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
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"If there are no problems handily available, they will create their own problems.”
I think this describes the personal issues of many people.
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MikeL
climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
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Aug 16, 2012 - 12:56am PT
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Oh, yeah . . . I forgot this: from Jim March at Stanford.
"Solutions are looking for problems, not the other way around."
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Aug 16, 2012 - 01:15am PT
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Show me an engineer who works on his designs...
(ever pull a compressor off a Cummins n14? etc etc)
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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Aug 16, 2012 - 01:59am PT
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You open a can, sometimes you get worms.
SL
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Mike Bolte
Trad climber
Planet Earth
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Aug 16, 2012 - 02:19am PT
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if brute force doesn't work, you probably aren't using enough
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Jay Wood
Trad climber
Land of God-less fools
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Aug 16, 2012 - 02:50am PT
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You get what you inspect, not what you expect.
All tools are hammers, except chisels, & they're screwdrivers.
Too much theory & not enough practice can lead to academentia.
If it was easy, someone else would have done it.
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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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Aug 16, 2012 - 03:33am PT
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Not sure if this is relevant but working backwards from the disaster.
Who designed this?
What was it's intended application?
Who built it?
To what standard?
How was it tested?
What are the operating procedures and required training?
Where's the manual and training records?
Was the operator trained accordingly and did they follow agreed procedures?
When was it inspected, by whom and where are the records?
Going the other way.
Known application and anticipated load allowing for dynamics.
Design factor.
Simplest design and best materials.
Progressive modelling and testing including proof loading.
Procedures and training.
Emergency procedures.
Rehearsals.
Inspections.
Operations.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Aug 16, 2012 - 05:38am PT
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If it doesn't fit, force it
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Aug 16, 2012 - 09:20am PT
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if it doesn't fit, you must acquit...
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cliffhanger
Trad climber
California
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:01am PT
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Don't use the antediluvian English system of measurement for science or engineering. Use the metric system.
In the 1960's congress mandated that NASA do all of it's work in the English system. This led to several Mars mission failures and probably much more grief.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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Aug 16, 2012 - 11:28am PT
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If it doesn't fit, force it
and if it breaks, it needed to be replaced anyway.
Curt
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Auto-X Fil
Mountain climber
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Aug 16, 2012 - 09:49pm PT
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Donini's Law -
One blue Camalot is as good or better than any other anchor, or any combination of other anchors.
It's the only piece of gear you need on your harness.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Aug 17, 2012 - 12:03pm PT
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The more time you spend thinking about something, the less time you have to spend actually working on it. ie there is always a better, faster easier etc way to do something, if you are patient enough to think before diving in.
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AE
climber
Boulder, CO
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Aug 31, 2012 - 04:03pm PT
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If you think you have a truly unbreakable product, you really only have a poor product tester.
ref to Grampa, Aug 15
The more components in a system, the higher the probability of system failure
Really, should say "The more components in a series system, the higher the probability of system failure." Parallel systems incorporate redundant built-in backups, so as to cover failure of any one component.
Parallel systems are routine in many climbing systems, i.e. 2 or more independent anchors, doubled carabiners w/ gates reversed, even just multiple pieces of protection, but then flagrantly ignored in others - one rappel device w/ no backup, one rope, one tie-in loop, one harness!
The latter cases demonstrate where real-world issues of overdesigning enter the picture. Ropes and harnesses and carabiners test far above likely maximum expected loads for different reasons, but ropes especially must be overbuilt to withstand weakening by abrasion, UV damage, repeated falls, sharp edges, etc.
Referencing the cam versus hex scene, A0 / "bomber" hex or stopper placements may be so inherently obvious that it may be safe, whereas cams by nature can never look as certainly bomber, unless perhaps the placement would also be equally bomber for a hex, in which case you're only going to feel stupid for having to leave an expensive gizmo instead of a cheap chunk'o aluminum.
finally,
Donini's Law is valid only for Donini.
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meatball
Trad climber
Chico CA
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Aug 31, 2012 - 04:40pm PT
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We use these from time to time in manufacturing:
"It's not just good......it's good enough."
"Beat to fit, paint to match"
Unrelated to the above statements, but one I have uttered climbing:
"Give me lever long enough and I will move the world"
I'll credit Archimedes for the last one, but couldn't tell you who originally coined the first two.
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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Aug 31, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
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Diuretics: The science of matter over mind.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Aug 31, 2012 - 05:18pm PT
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"If it don't stink, don't stir it"
More of a plumber's law than an engineer's, but it's a mistake you won't make more than once.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Aug 31, 2012 - 05:25pm PT
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If at first you don't succeed
Get a bigger hammer
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Aug 31, 2012 - 05:35pm PT
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That is, given the same materials and same level of thinking, to make something stronger you will always add weight.
I added the bold...
Consider how the flying buttress solved the problems of church walls collapsing, making the walls stronger, without adding more weight.
Sometimes we's got to think outside the box.
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