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Chaz
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greater Boss Angeles area
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That's irrelevant. He doesn't get an excuse. There's no level of anger that could justify shooting up a political rally.
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roadman
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QuoteA shooting happens in Arizona.. All the Super topo pundits quickly gather and start to expound their opinions about things unknown. Fights break out and insults are hurled back and forth in a most ungainly fashion.. It's ALWAYS the same blabbermouths coming forth to show how stupid they can all be... Here
Walleye, dude people are just mad. I mean this is about as f*#ked up as sh#t gets and its got right wing tea bagger written all over it. You fool your self if you think you can do what palin and beck are preaching and not get nuts like this to act.
It's always the conservative f*#k faces killing.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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REPUBLICANS ENCOURAGE ANGER: In addition to violent rhetoric coming from Florida House GOP candidate Allen West, on at least two separate instances throughout her campaign, GOP U.S. Senate candidate in Nevada, Sharrong Angle -- who has a real chance at defeating incumbent Majority Leader Harry Reid (D) -- suggested the possibility of an armed insurrection against the U.S. government. Saying that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment "was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government," Angle added, "if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies." Angle, who has refused to disavow those claims, even said recently that it's "possible" that the U.S. could be faced with a "revolutionary situation." Last week, GOP House candidate in Texas Stephen Broden said a violent overthrow of the government is "on the table."
GLENN BECK INSPIRED: In July, 45-year-old parolee Byron Williams opened fire on Highway Patrol officers in Oakland, California. After a brief shootout, police wounded Williams, who is now sitting in a California jail. Police caught Williams on his way to San Fransisco, where he hoped to "start a revolution" by killing workers at the American Civil Liberties Union and the Tides Foundation. According to a recent Media Matters report, Williams said that he was inspired by the fiery rhetoric of Fox News' self-described "Progressive Hunter" Glenn Beck. "I would have never started watching Fox News if it wasn't for the fact that Beck was on there. And it was the things that he did, it was the things he exposed that blew my mind," Williams said in an interview from jail. "I do enjoy Glenn Beck," Williams also says, "and the reason why I enjoy that is because...no other channell will speak about the same things that he's talking about, and if you go and investigate those things you'll find out that they're true." "Beck is going to deny everything about violent approach, deny everything about conspiracies," Williams said, adding," But he'll give you every reason to believe it. He's protecting himself, and you can't blame him for that. So, but I understand what he's doing." ...
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Tan Slacks
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Joshua Tree
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We are mourning for this country. The horrifying violence in Arizona today, surely motivated by the hate speech and inciting of violence by national political and media figures, is a step down a dangerous path that threatens our democracy. The list is long of those who should be ashamed. Sadly I suspect that they will merely rationalize and clear their webpages as they post empty messages of condolence.
Dan and Cindy
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Norton
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the Wastelands
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The most illustrative window is Loughner’s YouTube account, which appears to be hub of anti-government zealotry, obsession over currency and language standards, and, to put it bluntly, outright paranoia.
He writes
“In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can’t trust the current government because of the ratifications: the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar,” he writes in one video posting. “No! I won’t pay debt with a currency that’s not backed by gold and silver! No! I won’t trust in God!”
Hp
“In conclusion, reading the second United States Constitution, I can’t trust the current government because of the ratifications:
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dreadful. So many people suffering now. I hope those who haven't perished recovery quickly and fully. Really tragic stuff.
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fairweather
Mountain climber
Roseville, CA
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Hey Aleister,
What happened to your post claiming I was wrong?
If you spew enough garbage, you might actually be right some times.
Although in your case it is doubtful.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ) was facing threats long before she was shot in the head today at a supermarket in Arizona.
Though it's not yet clear what motivated the attack on Giffords -- though suspect Jared Loughner has left a long internet trail -- the attack came after numerous threats against Giffords over the past couple of years.
Giffords's father Spencer Gifford, 75, told the New York Post that her enemies were "the whole Tea Party."
But as Zachary Roth also outlined, Giffords has consistently faced threats, mostly for her view on health care reform.
The first widely-publicized incident came in August 2009, when someone dropped a handgun at a town-hall event, which lead her staff to call the police.
After Giffords -- who was the youngest woman ever elected to the House of Representatives in 2006 -- voted in favor of health care reform, the door to one of her offices was vandalized:
At 2:40 a.m., just a few hours after staff left the building after the late-night vote, the alarm system went off, said spokesman C.J. Karamargin. The panel to the front door and the glass panel alongside it were smashed out. The perpetrator likely had to hop the gated fence to get access to the door, since it's not viewable from the parking lot.
Giffords was also one of the members of Congress "targeted" by Sarah Palin for their vote on health care. An image posted on Palin's Facebook page featured crosshairs over the geographical districts of 20 members of Congress.
On Twitter, Palin linked to the page with this message: "Commonsense Conservatives & lovers of America: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page."
Since the incident today, Palin's staff removed Gifford's name from the list on her "Take Back The 20" site, which has since gone down.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Attack on MoveOn worker is just the latest example of right-wing violence
October 26, 2010 8:23 pm ET — 509 Comments
In the wake of the attack on a MoveOn.org worker apparently by supporters of Kentucky Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul, Media Matters provides a list of some of the right-wing violence and attacks on progressives that have occurred in the past year.
MoveOn worker attacked at Rand Paul rally
MoveOn.org worker reportedly received concussion from attack at event for Rand Paul. As media outlets have reported, a MoveOn.org worker who attempted to approach Paul at an October 26 rally in Lexington, Kentucky was attacked, apparently by Paul supporters. The woman was thrown to the ground and then stepped on, causing her head to be smashed into the pavement. According to MoveOn.org, the victim was diagnosed with a concussion at a local hospital.
Attack on MoveOn worker was the latest in string of violence and threats against progressives
White powder and swastikas mailed to Rep. Grijalva. On October 21, an envelope containing "a plastic bag of white powder and two pieces of paper with swastikas written on them" was reportedly mailed to Rep. Raul Grijalva's (D-AZ) campaign office. The powder was determined to be non-toxic.
Byron Williams set out to kill people at Tides Foundation and ACLU. On July 18, Byron Williams was stopped by California Highway Patrol and engaged in a shootout with law enforcement. He later said he planned to murder individuals at the Tides Foundation and ACLU and his mother said he was angry about "Congress railroading through all these left-wing agenda items." As reporter John Hamilton documented, Williams said he saw Fox News' Glenn Beck as "a schoolteacher" and that "it was the things [Beck] exposed that blew my mind." Indeed, the gunman, Byron Williams, was driven by belief in conspiracy theories that have been pushed by Beck and other members of the right-wing media.
AZ federal judge threatened, Grijalva office fired on after ruling on AZ immigration law. Politico reported in July:
Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) said in a statement he shut down his Yuma district office after staff members discovered a bullet had shattered a window there Thursday. And authorities said U.S. Judge Susan Bolton received hundreds of threats at her downtown Phoenix court offices after issuing the injunction, according to news reports.
Phoenix man indicted for alleged murder threats against Grijalva and his aides. The Yuma Sun reported on June 14 that a Phoenix man was indicted on federal charges for "allegedly threatening to kill U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva in late April, over Grijalva's opposition to the state's new immigration law." The article added: "Prosecutors say Haynes is accused of calling Grijalva's office in Tucson twice on April 23 and threatening to 'come down there and blow the brains out' of Grijalva and his employees."
Man arrested for allegedly threatening to kill Sen. Patty Murray. Politico reported on April 6:
Charles Alan Wilson, 64, was arrested at his home in central Washington after he allegedly called Murray's office on numerous occasions over the last few weeks saying that she "had a target on her back, " and "I want to [expletive] kill you," according to court documents. The alleged phone calls stretched over almost two weeks and were said to be in relation to Murray's vote to pass health care overhaul legislation.
Wilson, who was arrested in Selah, Wash., also allegedly told undercover FBI agents that he carries a concealed firearm with a permit, and said he was "extremely angry" with the passage of health care legislation, according to the news release. If convicted, Wilson could face up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.
Members of right-wing militia group arrested for allegedly plotting overthrow of the U.S. government. Nine members of the "Hutaree militia" were arrested in March and charged with plotting a violent uprising against the U.S. government, a plot that was to begin with an attack on law enforcement personnel. The Southern Poverty Law Center has called the Hutaree militia as a member of the radical right-wing patriot movement.
AP: Man arrested for allegedly making threatening phone calls to Pelosi. The AP reported that in the days after the vote on the health care reform bill, "The FBI arrested a California man Wednesday for allegedly making threatening phone calls to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi."
Threats made against Rep. Betsy Markey. A Denver television station reported that Rep. Betsy Markey's (D-CO) chief of staff "said the calls came on Saturday before the House cast its final vote on health care reform. She said in the first, the caller said to one of Markey's staff members, 'better hope I don't run into you in a dark alley with a knife, a club or a gun.' In another instance, a caller said something like 'better tell your boss that she better be careful when she comes back here to Colorado.'"
Gas line outside the house of the brother of Rep. Tom Perriello was cut. Rep. Tom Perriello's (D-VA) brother's address was erroneously posted online by a Tea Party blogger who invited activists to descend on the house. In March, a gas line outside the brother's house was cut.
Threats made against Rep. Stupak after he voted for final version of health care bill. Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI) was the target of threatening faxes and phone calls, including death threats. Some of the faxes included "racial epithets used in reference to President Obama," according to CBS News.
Picture of a noose faxed to Rep. Clyburn. Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), the Majority Whip, said in a March interview on CNN that his office had received a fax of a noose after he voted in favor of the health care reform bill.
Brick thrown at Democratic county headquarters in Rochester, NY. New York Daily News reported on March 22 that, after the House health care vote, a "brick, to which a piece of paper bearing the message "Extremism is defense of liberty is no vice" was attached with a rubber band" was thrown through the headquarters of the Democratic county headquarters in Rochester, New York.
Rep. Slaughter threatened with brick and "snipers." CNN reported on March 24: "Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-New York, said her Niagara Falls district office had a brick thrown through one of its windows and a message that referred to 'snipers' was left on one of her campaign offices."
Rep. Giffords' office window shattered. CNN reported that in March, "a glass panel at the Tucson office of U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, was shattered, spokesman C.J. Karamargin said. It wasn't clear how the window was shattered, but visitors have to go through a gated courtyard to enter the office, and staffers suspect someone may have shot a pellet gun at the glass, he said."
White powder mailed to Rep. Weiner with "drop dead" message. NBC News reported on March 26:
Authorities are investigating a package with white powder and an angry letter that referenced the health care legislation that was sent to Congressman Weiner's Kew Gardens office today.
The letter said the Congressman should "drop dead" and complained about the historic health care legislation passed by Congress this week.
Preliminary field tests showed the white powder was harmless.
Rep. Driehaus threatened and right-wing blogger publishes his home address. Politico reported on March 24 that a right-wing blogger had published the home address of Rep. Steve Driehaus (D-OH) and asked protestors to show up at his house. In addition, Driehaus reportedly received death threats.
Brick thrown through window of Witchita County Democrats' offices. The Kansas City Star reported in March:
Mike Vanderboegh of Pinson, Ala., former leader of the Alabama Constitutional Militia, put out a call on Friday for modern "Sons of Liberty" to break the windows of Democratic Party offices nationwide in opposition to health care reform. Since then, vandals have struck several offices, including the Sedgwick County Democratic Party headquarters in Wichita.
"There's glass everywhere," said Lyndsay Stauble, executive director of the Sedgwick County Democratic Party. "A brick took out the whole floor-to-ceiling window and put a gouge in my desk."
Stauble said the brick, hurled through the window between Friday night and Saturday morning, had "some anti-Obama rhetoric" written on it.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Homocide? What do gays have to do with this discussion?
:)
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Norton, Dr F,
Your side can avoid looking like chumps if you could only wait the bodies are cold before trying to make political advantage of a mass murder.
They'll be cold tomorrow, if you can wait that long.
In the meantime, say a prayer. It couldn't hurt.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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From http://www.nypress.com/article-6328-who-is-promoting-violence.html
the same week that The New York Times announced it would begin publishing notices of gay unions on its wedding pages, the bestselling conservative shock-diva Ann Coulter was quoted saying this to The New York Observer: "My only regret with [Oklahoma City bomber] Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building." In the same week, too, a Times editor tragically fell to his death from the 16th floor of the Times building in an apparent suicide. Soon enough, on the conservative website FreeRepublic.com, where Coulter’s minions congregate, the right-wing armies were cranking out all manner of bile about the editor’s death, stoking misogyny and homophobia, putting forth comments in line with Coulter’s terrorism-laden death wish.
One writer imagined the next day’s headlines: "NEW YORK TIMES SUICIDE; LONGTIME REPORTER/EDITOR JUMPS TO HIS DEATH FROM 43rd [sic] FLOOR. Women, Minorities and Gays Hardest Hit."
Another announced that "The only good liberal is a dead liberal!" while another let us know that he/she was "Weeping on floor with inappropriate laughter!!"
More promotion of violence:
guests at this week’s Conservative Political Action Conference will attend a party on Friday night where guests can take a whack at a pinata shaped like Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. The Pelosi pinata will allegedly be filled with candy, bills and “favorite Pelosi sayings.”
I have to go walk my dog right now, but I'll be happy to post more when I get back.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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You're looking for reason in senselessness.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Swimming in LEB tears.
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Holy crap this is nuts. I just heard an interview with Giffords on NPR a couple days ago. She's a great woman.
Also, wtf A 9-year-old girl also died in the attack, according to authorities. The child, whose identity had not been released, was pronounced dead at a hospital.
F*#k that guy seriously.
Chaz said You're looking for reason in senselessness.
Uh yeah. Remember you said that the next time someone brings an underpants bomb onto an airplane.
Chaz also said
Your side can avoid looking like chumps if you could only wait the bodies are cold before trying to make political advantage of a mass murder.
Quoting this for more future (and past!) irony.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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HE should be forced to wear an underwear bomb (maybe on pay per view to raise $ for victims).
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Idaho is kind if known for anti government types also, isn't it Rox?
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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People kill people.
Guns do not.
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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Idaho is kind if known for anti government types also, isn't it Rox?
Ruby Ridge
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