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strangeday
Social climber
The O.C. baby!!
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Aug 27, 2010 - 06:18pm PT
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Yes , I would very much like Williamson open again.
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MisterE
Social climber
Bouncy Tiggerville
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Aug 27, 2010 - 06:20pm PT
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Hey, Jeff. Couldja get SR2 out of LaCaņada opened again too, while you're at it?
TIA, Erik
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Aug 27, 2010 - 06:23pm PT
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Thank goodness it was set to stun, not kill.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Aug 27, 2010 - 06:36pm PT
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Ammon's a tough monkey.
He'll be fine. No big Deal.
He knew what could happen. Let folks do as they will.
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Blakeb
Gym climber
Southern Oregon, behind her
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Aug 27, 2010 - 06:44pm PT
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First of all, anyone that thinks tazers are not lethal, google tazer deaths and read about them ya retards!
Second of all, he was tazed in the back of the neck, so sounds clearly like he was fleeing and not fighting. No one should be tazed for a non violent crime that threatened only themselves while jogging away.
Of course, he knew and understood the repercussions of what he was doing, so there is no need to write rude things about him.
Tom had some really good points in opposition of legalizing base jumping in the parks and ammons FB group about this asks for support for him and the legalization of base jumping in OUR parks.
He also specifically points out that this is not an anti-ranger thing and those of you on this thread bashing the rangers are just crippling him and our community further.
Support the cause or dont, but quit sh#t talking about both sides, its not helping anyone
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wallguy
Big Wall climber
Utah
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Aug 27, 2010 - 07:05pm PT
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Anyone who has ever met Ammon knows he is crazy, but he isn't stupid. We all need to remember that Ammon is aware of the laws in the National Parks. The fact that he got busted and was tasered is not the end of the world. He will be back climbing and jumping off epic rocks before we know it.
I think this just shows the lack of respect that the rangers have for the BASE Jumping community. Lober you can kiss my A*%!
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Slabby D
Trad climber
B'ham WA
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Aug 27, 2010 - 07:31pm PT
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Seems like running, jogging heck anything short of shuffling would be a challenge in a wingsuit.
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
Transporter Room 2
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Aug 27, 2010 - 07:44pm PT
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PFFFFLLTT!
ALWAYS run. You MAY escape. If you don't run, there's zero chance that you'll escape.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 27, 2010 - 07:46pm PT
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In 1974 a cop saw someone siphoning gas from my Jeep, jumped from the car and gave chase while his partner drove.
When I arrived they were bumming.
The thief had gotten away and the running cop had lost his gun.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Aug 27, 2010 - 07:53pm PT
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Skully et al. have it right...
Ammon's a tough monkey.
He'll be fine. No big Deal.
He knew what could happen. Let folks do as they will.
I guarantee Ammon will not be whining about it like alot of you are.
It's the whiners that are probably responsible for Ammon getting tazed!
A few years back, some base jumper died because he ran into the river to get away from the LEOs, and drown.
How much do you want to bet (due to public outcry)that there were policy changes because of that, official or not.
How do you know Ammon wasn't running for the river?
Lets say hypothetically he ran into the Merced and drowned...
You same whiners would have your panties in a bunch, blaming the LEOs, because they didn't stop him!
My God! Is there anyway to apprehend someone that is non compliant that is
100% safe or that won't injure them in any way?
The LEOs were probably just doing as they are told.
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Bullwinkle
Boulder climber
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Aug 27, 2010 - 07:56pm PT
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I know exactly what happened tha night. Amon was in no way a threat to the Rangers, he was running away from them. Both Rangers fired Tazer's at him, one barb hit him in the back of his neck. . .
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:05pm PT
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Earl told me that tale too.
I have yet to hear of any witnesses.
Earl told me MANY stories.
Well, at least it sounds like a sporting hunt.
Two rangers vs one flying squirrel.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:11pm PT
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lol Ron.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:18pm PT
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Amon was in no way a threat to the Rangers
Irrelevant.
He was a fleeing suspect.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:24pm PT
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What's the Boone & Crocket record on flying squirrels?
(and how do you measure the racks on the bucks?)
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Prod
Trad climber
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:29pm PT
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Are there any facts in this thread yet? I really don't want to read 111 posts to find them. Any help???
Prod.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:35pm PT
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Irrelevant.
He was a fleeing suspect.
So it is legal to use potentially deadly force to stop a fleeing subject? Just asking. I know it is legal to use such things as spike strips, that could hurt the fleeing subject by causing them to wreck. This is legal when the person is endangering others. So who was Ammon dangering when he was fleeing? Or why is it okay to tase someone who is running from what amounts to a ticketable offense? I know the rangers get frustrated because they probably have to chase lots of these guys. But is it really a good idea to tase someone in these circumstances. I can sort of understand the fear that the person might drown if they were heading towards the river. It must be hard to swim in one of those suits. But this isn't spring melt time. So who understands this? I really am just asking. And what happens if both tasers hit? Does he get a double dose and isn't that perhaps more dangerous?
Please understand that I am just asking. I really would like to understand this. I have friends who are LEOs and I know they are cool, but I have also been tooled and I have seen out of control rangers. So I know both sides of these situations.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:39pm PT
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Fat or other tools ? - is resisting the same as fleeing?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Aug 27, 2010 - 08:43pm PT
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This is just insane.
Anyone who will actually argue that a fleeing suspect from a base jump ought to be tazered is nuts. It's a misdemeanor and he was zero threat to the officers.
This country is getting crazy.
Good luck Mr. McNeely!
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