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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 28, 2010 - 12:23am PT
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What Largo and Elcapinyoazz said. Seriously, I try to stay away from the slander posts, but can anyone really say that McCain picking Sarah as his running mate was not the most transparent political rouse ever?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 28, 2010 - 12:54am PT
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Stahlbro....we all try to stay away from the slander but like the jailbird that tried to smash charlie manson's guitar , we all sneak across the line for that single moment of glory...rj
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Mar 28, 2010 - 01:06am PT
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"Sarah Palin, a metro-Anchorage local pol, with a tight ass and some naughty librarian glasses."
Can I get a wittness?
JL
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Mar 28, 2010 - 01:09am PT
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RJ, word. Largo, Amen
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2010 - 03:08am PT
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May the heavens help our country if somebody like Sarah Palin reaches national office.
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dirtbag
climber
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Mar 28, 2010 - 10:22am PT
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Oh I dunno, I think she'd make a fine Ditz in Chief.
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apogee
climber
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Mar 28, 2010 - 12:44pm PT
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"The absolute worst scenario for the GOP would be for her to run as a third party candidate."
After Palin left her job as Gov, there was a lot of speculation on 'what's she gonna do next'- will she be on the ticket for 2012, or will she become a political pundit/FauxNews contributor?
At this point, my guess is the latter. After the election, I can imagine Palin considering her options- continuing her political career, or political/media personality. She's not stupid, and knows damn well that her performance in the campaign was weak at best, and fraught with gaffes. All of these gaffes were due to truly being inexperienced in a wide variety of national government, but having to perform and politically maneuver on the spot. She probably knows that, for all of her personality appeal that she holds, she would not be able to gain the political cred to balance it any time soon. Her personality would not override her inexperience, and seeking higher office would be an uphill battle at best.
On the other hand, being a political pundit is much safer, with a surer future: she can capitalize on her personality, and can have much greater control over her identity. Any of the presentations she might do, be it a FauxNews commentary, or a Searchlight, NV rally, she can organize her talking points (if her hand is big enough), and have great control over her image. There's no risk of one-on-one debating, and having her inexperience come through.
Her strong personality appeal is a big money maker all by itself, and lots of political figures would want to get a piece of it to support their campaigns. It's ironic to think that the McCain campaign probably paid her a nice chunk of change to appear with him last week, but I'll bet that's exactly what happened. Same thing with yesterday's Searchlight rally. My bet is that she has chosen the safer, controllable, more lucrative path of political pundit.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 28, 2010 - 01:53pm PT
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My take is a bit different.
SP represents a huge liability to the Republican party. She does energize the masses, but they are the fringe masses. Don't forget that her nomination drove a number of mainstream and true conservatives to vote for Obama, or not to vote at all.
I thought her nomination was brilliant, but it was a "hail Mary" maneuver, that didn't work, because the intellectuals of the party saw her gross inappropriateness when the metal met the road. That made McCain, who there were already questions about, even more questionable.
The problem now, is that anything that SP touches becomes suspect, to the serious conservatives. Her appeal lies in the concept that you can be an anti-intellectual, not well educated person, and hold the highest and most complicated job in the world. If that was ever true, it no longer is.
The conservatives have shown that they are willing to take whatever support they can get, no matter how they have to hold their noses. But they've also learned that the tail can wag the dog. The religious fundamentalists, who they abhor, have shown them that.
SP is a path to the MORE fundamentalist, MORE intolerant. If you saw her "attack dog" speeches during the campaign, she has no problem getting into that bed. You'll notice the use of veiled threats of violence, in "code", to the far right.
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apogee
climber
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Mar 28, 2010 - 02:08pm PT
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"She does energize the masses, but they are the fringe masses."
I think that is probably true, though it's hard to say with certainty, since her influence would be best measured in an election with her in it, and I don't think that's going to happen. As a pundit, she will lend herself to whatever issue or candidate that has reasonable alignment to her image (at a price, of course), and if that issue or candidate fails or wins, it would be hard to directly measure the degree of her influence.
For right now, I agree that she is portraying an image that is intended to rally emotion and anger, and that group is probably a fringe group. It's an effective 'business' model for her, since she can take full advantage of being a media spectacle and all of the opportunity that comes with it.
As you say, Ken, some of the more rational elements of the GOP are seeing her as a detriment to the re-emergence of the GOP. Assuming that the GOP does moderate itself and regain the moderate voter (it's not showing much sign of that right now), she can easily moderate her image as well. Her past history as a far-right ranter can easily be re-spun into a principled idealist, which would still be useful to a more moderate GOP.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 28, 2010 - 03:51pm PT
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Palin energizes those who are unwilling to learn anything about her or are eager to ignore most of what they know about her.
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Roman
Trad climber
Bostonia
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Mar 28, 2010 - 05:01pm PT
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If we whisper, she might not hear that.
Not a chance. She ego surfs (searches the forum for "LEB" and "Lois") so that she can always find her adoring fans.
:-\
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jstan
climber
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Mar 28, 2010 - 05:38pm PT
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Try searching on "LEB."
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jstan
climber
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Mar 28, 2010 - 08:22pm PT
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Well there it is.
Rokjox is Shrek, an ogre. He's green.
All has been revealed.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 28, 2010 - 08:23pm PT
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LEB said - Maybe so but if she advances a given cause what does it matter. She is being a team player, no?
So you are saying that it doesn't matter how things get done so long as they get done? For instance, if getting lower taxes comes at the expensive of dehumanizing your opponents, lying and spreading rumors that's just fine? And the last time I checked the "team" we were playing for was called "America." Republicans like yourself seem to have totally forgotten that.
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Jingy
Social climber
Nowhere
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Mar 28, 2010 - 08:44pm PT
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LEB - You wrote "Maybe so but if she advances a given cause what does it matter. She is being a team player, no?"
I.. hum…. OK, so.. what is the "given cause" that you see her "advancing"? Would you say that about German soldiers?
By your first statements I think that as long as a person is advancing "a cause" it wouldn't matter what they know, or believe, or it wouldn't matter of their actions.
It might just be that LEB is the last person alive that has placed her full faith in Failin....
good luck with that......
I think John makes a good point to link this thread to clear evidence that repubs are lemmings if they follow this one anywhere.
good luck with that.....
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 28, 2010 - 09:09pm PT
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LEB said - As for being Americans, well we ARE a two party system in the context of America.
We are not a two party system. We got stuck with a two party system, but it is not who we "are." In fact more people identify themselves as "independent" or "unaffiliated" than as either Democratic or Republican these days. Both the parties thrive on conflict, and the more we fall into the trap of simply rooting for "our team" instead of "our country" the more we get PLAYED by them instead of represented by them.
If you have to resort to supporting vapid politicians who rely solely on lies and misinformation to push forward a platform that they themselves cannot articulate very well, it might be that the platform is not one worth supporting.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Mar 28, 2010 - 09:31pm PT
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OK LEB I'm going to ask you the same question I've been asking you over and over again (since what, 2005?) without answer. Can you please articulate Palin's platform and the policies that you agree/disagree with?
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AstroArlo
Trad climber
Jackson, WY
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Mar 28, 2010 - 09:40pm PT
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So much for the nutjob at the right end of the spectrum...
But what about the nutjob on the left end of the spectrum - PELOSI?
And Pelosi is in a position of power where she can do much more REAL damage to our freedoms and the economy, which she does on a regular basis.
It's time to quit taking the sides of the Dems or the Repubs - it's time to fight for the American people. Vote them ALL out of office until we get some in there who really care about the average American, and not the special interest groups and people who fund the politician's campaigns.
Wake up people! The problem is politicians in general, not just the Dems or Repubs.
Quit giving politicians and pundits the easy way out by letting them blame the other party...
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