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corniss chopper
Mountain climber
san jose, ca
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Obama's political boat is being tossed about in the Perfect Political Storm! He went fishing at the wrong time (recession) with the wrong bait (healthcare). Unfortunate.
August was the worst month of Barack Obama’s presidency. And he seems to know it. Heavy drinking by the guests reported at the Wed night Whitehouse cocktail parties which are so un-festive they're like a funeral. Understandable.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Idaho Republican gubernatorial candidate Rex Rammell says it was just a joke when an audience member at a recent appearance asked, during a discussion of Idaho wolf-hunting tags, "What about Obama tags?"...and Rammell, perhaps not sensing the of national attention it would yield him in an otherwise quiet news week, responded, "The Obama Tags? We'd buy some of those."
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/08/obama_hunting_tags_rammell_sticks_by_joke.php
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Woah!
Rex Rammell would be a great screen name for a gay porn star.
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Fattrad is a socialist, he received pay when he worked as a tool of the communal police organization. Not a single person who had a crime committed against them paid the police organization for their services, it was all paid for by a socialist tax and service scheme. Terrible.
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Wow... you're not a good capitalist either :)
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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Ah ha! Exposed! :)
Of course repeating over and over that Obama is a socialist still doesn't make it so, but it does make your argueements less effective since they are more easily dismissed...
Personally I don't want governement run health care, but I also don't want people to profit from screwing people (finanicially) on their death beds or in any difficult heatlh scenario, that's unethical and immoral no matter who is calling the shots. I hope that's something peopel can agree on.
I am interested in the non-profit health care co-op models and wish they were more widespread. Keep government out of health care, but keep profiteering out of it too.
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apogee
climber
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"Of course repeating over and over that Obama is a socialist still doesn't make it so, but it does make your argueements less effective since they are more easily dismissed..."
Man, I wish fattrad would get that through his fattrad head. Likewise, I wish that bluering, TGT, cchopper, HWD/Lois, bookworm and the rest of the Repugs would get that through their heads, too. We have spent months and months and almost 10K posts trying to educate these kool-aid guzzlers about their misinformation, to no avail. It's almost like they want to be ignorant...
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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How wrote: I am interested in the non-profit health care co-op models and wish they were more widespread. Keep government out of health care, but keep profiteering out of it too.
Wishing for the almost impossible. Just who is going to regulate prices??
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Medicare is one of the single greatest, along with Social Security, examples of US Government enacting and administering
positive programs that have greatly benefited tens of millions
of Americans.
The best judge is the court of public opinion, and Medicare
recipients rate the quality of Medicare healthcare very significantly, up to 20% higher, than private for profit plans.
As usual the right wing, in this case Fattrad, takes their tired
old preconception that anything government does is wrong, and
then ignores fact based analysis that proves otherwise.
The right wing should stick to what they do best:
Deny science and evolution, grow big government at the fastest
rate in History (2000-2006), run up the biggest deficits in
history, seek to impose Taliban type control over women, kiss
the ass of their extreme right wing, genuflect at the altar of
Rush Limbaugh, and keep on losing elections.
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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"it mandates pricing, often below provider costs."
I'll buy that, I don't know if it's a disservice, just not as well implemented as it should be. Of course it also represents an opportunity for someone who could drive down the providers costs. If that's impossible then medicaid will have to change or die... OK I think I agree with you...
As for wishing for the impossible, maybe so, I'm not going to be so bold as to say my own ideals are realizable or achievable, they're just something that would make me feel better about the world. For the record I'm not at all against for profit institutions. Profit is good, since it motivates people, I just think there are things that are way more important than it.
Maybe we just need geico to get into healthcare. They shook the living crap out of the auto insurance industry and saved us all a wad of cash.
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Curt
Boulder climber
Gilbert, AZ
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"...Medicare is the greatest disservice to Americans health care, it mandates pricing, often below provider costs..."
That simply provides the opportunity for the "providers" to innovate and lower their costs. That's what the private sector does so well, right?
Curt
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apogee
climber
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"But medicare should be looked at, and fixed if the doctors are not being paid what is fair"
Everything that I've heard about medicare and physicians is that medicare procedures/charges are far easier to arrange and negotiate than it is with private insurance. Private insurance usually requires several phone calls to differing departments or companies, and they are usually trying to negotiate the cost downward or deny the procedure outright. Multiply this times the dozens of patients a typical GP sees each day, and it is a nightmare. Medicare, apparently is much easier to deal with.
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howlostami
Trad climber
Southern Tier, NY
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It's the modern way. Put someone in a box, then kick them for being in the box. Maybe there is something to the anti-evolutionists, because if it existed we surely would have started to grow up by now.
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apogee
climber
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The party of NO, may have succeeded in stopping health care reform for now
"If this is true, we will no doubt hear about Obama's "failure" to accomplish his goals."
If this is true, we will likely see a big turnover in the '10 elections, unless the Dems grow some real ballz and go on a Repug-style offensive and showcase the Repugs as the worthless, sabotaging obstructionists they are. Since Dems are notoriously like a bunch of spineless unherdable cats, that's unlikely. They'll probably just get their asses kicked and whine about it.
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apogee
climber
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I heard you were running for dogcatcher? You'd make a good dogcatcher, fattrad.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Boulder, CO
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This going around on facebook...I posted this as my status...do the same if you agree.
No one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick. This is a moral issue, one of values--what kind of society are we?
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Bamm_Bamm
Social climber
Out in the Wilderness looking for Dr. F
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No one should die just because Obama has some weird fetish to make the American people go in front of his death panels.
No one should be forced to pay for other people to sit around and do nothing.
No one should have the right to tell the rest of us what kind of health insurance we have to buy just because they won't dip into their own pocket and help the poor like the rest of us do.
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