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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 19, 2014 - 11:17pm PT
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I'm starting to warm to you Flip Flop, I shall root for you. ;)
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 19, 2014 - 11:27pm PT
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Flip Flop, does your name mean that you are conflicted? Split personality? Or relaxed, it's all good, chillin type? Fish out of water? Were you scheming to shoot Charlton Heston because he was president of the NRA? Eat steak one day, then a vegan the next?
Like wearing thongs?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 19, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
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High Fructose Corn Spirit, I can't help but laugh every time I read your handle.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 19, 2014 - 11:31pm PT
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Clinker, I had such high hopes for you in the beginning - but you dashed every one. Aughh!
Beta, specialized for just you: There's more to education than Sunday School. ;)
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Sorry, bro.
But Christian mythology is one thing, Christian religion another.
There's just too many people in the world - and not just in America - taking this ancient bronze age narrative literally.
It's the 21st century, we have to adapt. The health of the planet depends on it and some group needs to lead the way.
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Rudbud
Gym climber
Grover Beach, CA
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May 19, 2014 - 11:44pm PT
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Awesome post Fat Dad.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 19, 2014 - 11:45pm PT
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But Christian mythology is one thing, Christian religion another.
It's the 21st century, we have to adapt. The health of the planet depends on it and some group needs to lead the way.
Where in anything I say did you get the idea that I am a christian or religious, I only said believing. I am a skeptic with an inquiring mind.
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WBraun
climber
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May 19, 2014 - 11:48pm PT
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HFCS -- "The health of the planet depends on it and some group needs to lead the way."
Fruity will become his own god, with his own cult and lead them to safety.
The new religion "HFCS"
We've all seen how this ends up ......
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 19, 2014 - 11:50pm PT
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Awesome post Fat Dad.
No, it really wasn't (to be "frank"), not if you dig down beneath the surface. Anything at depth, regarding Fat Dad's post, is steeped in inconsistency; at best it's accomodation, thus Grade C+ at most.
We have to get past the Abrahamic religions. And the only way to do that is to admit their mythology and come to terms w the modern understanding of how the world works.
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Blast from the past, WB: "Get off my grass."
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Alright, Clinker, I might have jumped the gun (but not the shark)...
Let's see what more you have to say... ;)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 19, 2014 - 11:55pm PT
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Unfortunately, that is true. If people and politicians put more stock in the Establishment Clause (or even acknowledged its existence) then we'd be able to avoid this issue for the most part. I'm Catholic (and actually go to Mass) and I abhor attempts by others to insert prayer into the public forum or, worse, pervert education to conform with the puny brains of many "believers" out there. Sadly, there are a lot of people (read, non-demoninational evangelicals--some, not all!) out there, who believe non-compliance with their views is the same as an attack. Sounds a lot like the gun nuts.
Well, there're 2 parts to that clause. I think you may be ignoring one of them. But, I too think religion is a private matter that should stay away from politics, for the most part.
And what's up with the shot at "gun-nuts"? People do still have 2nd Amendment rights to own firearms responsibly, right?
Maybe that's the point of this thread. Inserting religion into politics and community life. I disagree with that, clearly. However, too often these threads devolve into ad hominem attacks by people who really have what appears to be an unhealthy hang up on other people's beliefs.
Maybe the OP should consider this? He started it. He stirred the sh#t up. And I do believe our Founders were deeply religious Christians fleeing the Anglican Church of England.
And for that reason, despite being deeply religious, they knew religion should be left out of governance.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 19, 2014 - 11:58pm PT
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Bluring (kindred spirit of Blublocker, perhaps?),
So you do acknowledge, the birth of Christ-God by a virgin, the Resurrection of Christ-God and the Ascension of Christ-God are not to be taken literally but only metaphorically or mythologically.
Is that right?
I mean, just to be clear.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 20, 2014 - 12:00am PT
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Let's see what more you have to say... ;)
Well, since you asked.
I don't want public meetings started with a prayer, but want them to end sooner than later with "may the force be with you" It's so American.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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May 20, 2014 - 12:12am PT
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Bluring (kindred spirit of Blublocker, perhaps?),
So you do acknowledge, the birth of Christ-God by a virgin, the Resurrection of Christ-God and the Ascension of Christ-God is not to be taken literally but only metaphorically or mythologically.
Is that right?
I mean, just to be clear.
I don't claim to know everything. I do follow the "myth".
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 20, 2014 - 12:29am PT
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If indeed it's the myth rather than the absolute univeral truth (beyond all doubt), then good on you.
See you in Tuolumne. :)
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 20, 2014 - 12:52am PT
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So here's your chance, I suppose, Blu... to distinguish yourself from "The Chief" - lol!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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May 20, 2014 - 01:06am PT
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Just a thought...
"theology of science"
The "science" put your helicoptors in the air. Where's the gratitude?
I'm not seeing it, correct me if I'm amiss.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 20, 2014 - 01:12am PT
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Mostly it's because I wear rubber slippers, as they say in Hawaii. Also there was a sudden change of heart from starting nailing a wall with bros to going back to climbing free routes with and hanging with the GF by the river. So there's some vacillating as well. I think. Maybe. I dunno. Maybe not. Or maybe.
I'm not conflicted about religions though. One thing that everyone agrees on is that people have vivid imaginations. Downright fanciful. Cheers.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 20, 2014 - 02:21am PT
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Does it boil down to being afraid of dying?
Science is just a term to explain provable and repeatable facts. It's not an opinion. Religion is just opinion and ideas. Religion cannot feed anyone, nor heal anyone. The Bible contains no useful information other than opinions. Science and Religion are opposites.
The helicopter flies because of mining, chemistry, physics, society and education. The pilot is just one player.
Religion had millennia to learn to fly or heal children but that's not what religion does. Religion has opinions about heresy, apostasy, sin, judgement and damnation. This kind of thinking is anti-intellectual. It makes no sense for me to sentence you to eternal damnation because of your or my opinions.
Science is the opposite of mythology. Science will still be proved in 1000 years. We have proof of scientific progress from long before Jesus and Abraham.
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Degaine
climber
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May 20, 2014 - 06:54am PT
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The Chief wrote:
Science is merely a modern day religion
You, like most people on this thread, are confusing religion and dogma. Science isn't a religion. However, certain groups do use and have used science as a way to control or dismiss others, much like religion has been used throughout history and even today. Again, dogma.
Flipflop wrote:
Science is just a term to explain provable and repeatable facts. It's not an opinion .
Actually, it's a method not a term, and for a hypothesis to be considered valid/proved using the scientific method, it has to be repeatable.
Flipflop wrote:
Religion is just opinion and ideas. Religion cannot feed anyone, nor heal anyone. The Bible contains no useful information other than opinions. Science and Religion are opposites.
You, like most criticizing religion on this thread, unfortunately dismiss the historical context of religion (not sure if you're doing it on purpose). It has served as both a belief system for explaining the unknown, to a guide on how to live (both from a legal point of view and practical). The Old Testament (Torah) has quite a bit of practical and useful information in addition to the storytelling. Theses texts were written over 2500 years ago, long before "Better Homes and Gardens" published its first issue, and long before Psychology Today published and in-depth article on how to mourn the loss of a loved one.
In any case, having been born and raised in the US, I feel that religion is a very personal and private issue, not to be imposed on others.
For me, the religion of the country's founders is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is that the colonies and country were founded in part by those escaping religious persecution and the distasteful experience of having lived in a country with one state-imposed religion. Thus the first amendment and the establishment clause.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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May 20, 2014 - 07:41am PT
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You, like most criticizing religion on this thread, unfortunately dismiss the historical context of religion
I've read plenty of history books, but I do not then create bizarre mythology based on the book, and then spend my life enacting bizarre rituals (eating his flesh - really?).
Nor do I, in contrast to most religious people, try to force everyone else around me to obey bizarre religious beliefs like they're law. I appreciate your sentiments in that regard. Thank you.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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May 20, 2014 - 08:20am PT
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Also there was a sudden change of heart from starting nailing a wall with bros to going back to climbing free routes with and hanging with the GF by the river
You are a very wise man.
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