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MikeL
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Southern Arizona
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Sep 27, 2018 - 08:44am PT
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Perhaps you could point me to the data that supports your claim?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 27, 2018 - 08:50am PT
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I think that data comes from the Robespierre Center For Entrepreneurship.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Sep 27, 2018 - 11:32am PT
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In fifty years how many of these things will be laying around in fields and or crashed and left behind someone's house, everywhere cars & trucks are left now. Highly toxic & leaking.
The only thing that would be highly toxic and leaking, I would imagine, are the batteries.
I'm hopeful that it will be more economic to recycle batteries than to make them from scratch. So unless a better battery technology comes along, certainly possible, the hulks laying around everywhere won't have any batteries in them.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 27, 2018 - 12:39pm PT
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One crucial difference - copper isn’t highly toxic, let alone highly combustible.
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FRUMY
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Bishop,CA
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Sep 27, 2018 - 08:47pm PT
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$14,000 a ton for copper? I don't think I ever got more than about $8,000.
That's a damn good price. I retired from the auto industry a long time ago 2005. At that time I was producing about 4-5 tons of cast Alu., about 15 -20 tons of grade 1 Iron, & a few 100 lbs. of copper & brass. per month.
The difference is none of this is toxic & it's easy to get at.
If you aren't willing to look at problems straight on you just keep making them.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Sep 28, 2018 - 08:47am PT
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Hi, Reilly,
I couldn’t find the data at that site to support the claim that “the big boys leased all the car carriers.” Could you point me to it? All my writing was meant to argue why that was likely not the case. However, if someone has data, I’m very interested to see it, as it would contradict more than a few of my understandings about the industry. (I taught many case studies on it.)
BTW, Tesla intended to bring sales in-house (ala, the dealerships). Perhaps that, too, was not such a great element in his revolutionary model of how to build and sell automobiles.
There are economic ideas whose time has NOT yet arrived. One can be too late *and* too early to market.
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john hansen
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Sep 28, 2018 - 12:15pm PT
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Tesla down 45 points today. 14% and the days not done.
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Reilly
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The Other Monrovia- CA
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Sep 28, 2018 - 12:18pm PT
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TSLA went from 380 to today’s 263 in 7 weeks. It’s a conspiracy I tell ya!
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Sep 28, 2018 - 12:48pm PT
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Welcome to the car biz. did the big boys lease all the car carriers? Bad management - poor planning? I still would not short Tesla yet.
If you wait until they are bankrupt, that will be a wee bit too late.
Just sayin'.
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FRUMY
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Bishop,CA
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Sep 28, 2018 - 03:58pm PT
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In two months the new car pipeline to the deals showrooms will slow up & there will be trucks to be had.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Sep 29, 2018 - 07:12am PT
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Somebody Anybody,
Hey, thanks. Good article. You’re a prince.
Be well.
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Ezra Ellis
Trad climber
North wet, and Da souf
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Sep 29, 2018 - 04:33pm PT
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[url="http://Check out this article from USA TODAY: SEC settles charges with Tesla's Elon Musk, will remain as CEO but relinquish chairman role https://usat.ly/2y1b3QC"]http://Check out this article from USA TODAY: SEC settles charges with Tesla's Elon Musk, will remain as CEO but relinquish chairman role https://usat.ly/2y1b3QC[/url]
Not sure how this will affect things
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I wonder if Tesla’s board will make him hire a Twitter nanny.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Production/delivery numbers for some brands like BMW are now just rounding errors for Tesla in the BEV arena. One year after M3 started production. GF3 going in in China where they don’t dawdle in construction and I think we could be seeing double this number monthly by next year.
We got a foot and a half of snow by this morning. Oct 2. Started snowing Oct 1. This will stay all winter. My Tesla drove much better with summers on than my TOYOTA with winters. Oh, and I finished 58 CO 14ers last week! Nothing better than a road trip with no gas expense and climbing!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Tesla must defend lawsuit alleging abuse of foreign workers
(Reuters) - A federal judge has ruled that Tesla must defend itself at a trial over allegations it knew foreign workers at its California assembly plant were threatened with deportation if they reported an injury and worked long shifts that violated forced labor laws.
U.S. District Judge Lucy Koh, in San Jose, California, dismissed most of the seven claims against Tesla on Monday, but allowed two claims to survive, paving the way for the plaintiffs to seek documents and witnesses to build their case.
The decision comes as Tesla is under pressure to turn a profit and days after Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk stepped down as chairman to settle allegations by regulators that he misled investors.
Tesla has been plagued with safety complaints brought by workers, allegations that Tesla denies. Workers say that long hours and pressure to deliver vehicles quickly takes a toll, and some have pushed for a union.
Tesla said it investigated the allegations and broke ties with a subcontractor, ISM Vuzem, that it said did not live up to its expectations. “We’ve also since improved our supplier contracts and policies to better stop bad behavior,” it said in a statement.
According to the lawsuit, Gregor Lesnik of Slovenia came to the United States on a B-1 visa and worked 250 hours per month for less than $950, well below minimum wage. It also alleges that foreign workers were threatened with deportation or reduced pay if they reported injuries or became ill.
The 2016 lawsuit by Lesnik and Stjepan Papes of Croatia seeks class action status on behalf of foreigners with B-1 visas working at construction sites at U.S. auto plants.
Tesla was one of several automakers named as defendants, but the only one that was not dismissed from the case because plaintiffs only alleged to have suffered threats of deportation at Tesla’s plant in Fremont, California.
Koh denied a motion to dismiss for two Tesla subcontractors, Eisenmann Corp and ISM Vuzem because they operated at the same plant.
Eisenmann and Vuzem did not immediately respond to requests for comment.
Koh said her ruling was based on a “generous reading of the at times incomprehensible” lawsuit, but also said the allegations against Tesla and Eisenmann were “uncharacteristically specific.”
Koh rejected arguments that Tesla and Eisenmann were not liable because the alleged abuses were committed by Vuzem. Koh said a party that benefits financially from another’s abuses also bears liability.
The claims she dismissed alleged violations of the False Claims Act, Fair Labor Standards Act and the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO.
Reporting by Tom Hals in Wilmington, Delaware; Editing by Leslie Adler
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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20,797 vs 22,250
Toyota Corolla vs Model 3
So what you are saying above is that Tesla and GM found out something was happening with a sub contractor, fired them, and is now getting sued over what they already corrected? Hmmm... pretty strong FUD there bud!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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toothy, don’t shoot the messenger, m’kay? Take it up with da judge!
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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I have nothing towards or against Elon. But I love the product. And I own no stock.
You guys, on the other hand, are talking out of inexperience and parroting media. Respect😂
What it equates to is that you read a review in the newspaper about Honnolds new movie which was written by someone who didn’t watch the movie. Now you are denigrating those who watched The movie and have a different opinion than the one you adopted from the article/review you read.
No matter that it has great numbers.
How does that make you feel? I can tell you how it makes you look when you talk about Tesla’s!! You aren’t at the level of messenger. Just muttering head.
I’m sure you said Amazon would never compete with large giants like WalMart etc. I find that people who lack vision tend to try and tear down those who do. Human nature?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Q3 2018 Vehicle Safety Report
The Tesla Team
October 4, 2018
At Tesla, the safety of our customers is our top priority, which is why it’s critical that we design and build the safest cars in the world. Not only do we conduct extensive in-house testing and simulation to ensure our vehicles achieve top safety performance before they ever reach the road, we are also uniquely positioned to leverage the hundreds of thousands of miles of real-world data our fleet collects every month to continuously improve our vehicles and develop a more complete picture of safety over time.
Because every Tesla is connected, in most instances we are able to learn immediately when a Tesla vehicle has been involved in a crash. Additionally, our non-traditional sales model allows us to have a direct relationship with our customers for the lifecycle of ownership, providing an avenue for us to supplement our records and gain even more insight as needed. In contrast, automakers whose cars aren’t connected and who utilize networks of third-party franchised dealers may never know when a vehicle is involved in an accident. Through traditional channels, it can take months or even years for lawsuits or claims to be filed that provide automakers with insight into an accident that allows them to draw meaningful conclusions and improve safety.
Earlier this year, when we made the decision to begin publishing our safety data on a regular basis, we designed and introduced a completely new telemetry stream for our vehicles to facilitate these reports. This new data stream allows us to gather the most critical fleet-wide statistics from the exact moment a crash-related event is detected by our system. While there are still some unique cases in which crash data may not be available to us through this channel, we believe this system currently provides the best framework for safety reporting on an ongoing basis.
Here’s a look at the data we’re able to report for Q3:
Over the past quarter, we’ve registered one accident or crash-like event for every 3.34 million miles driven in which drivers had Autopilot engaged.
For those driving without Autopilot, we registered one accident or crash-like event for every 1.92 million miles driven. By comparison, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s (NHTSA) most recent data shows that in the United States, there is an automobile crash every 492,000 miles. While NHTSA’s data includes accidents that have occurred, our records include accidents as well as near misses (what we are calling crash-like events).
Moving forward, we will publicly release these accident figures on a quarterly basis.
Given the degree to which accidents can vary in severity and circumstance, we’ve started an additional initiative to create a more complete picture of safety by gathering serious injury data from our customers following an accident. While we have long maintained the practice of calling our customers whenever our system detects a crash in order to see whether they need emergency assistance, we now also use these calls to understand if they sustained an injury in the crash, and if they have feedback on our current safety system. This will help us continue to improve our system and understand the rate of serious injuries over time.
We also encourage our customers to proactively contact Tesla Support if they are ever seriously injured in a Tesla vehicle, or if they have suggestions about improving safety features.
As we are working hard to make our cars the safest and most capable cars on the road in terms of passive safety, active safety, and automated driving, we must continue to encourage driver vigilance on the road – that is, by and large, the best way to prevent traffic accidents. Safety is at the core of everything we do and every decision we make, so we cannot stress this enough. We want our cars to not only lead the way to sustainable energy, but also make driving as safe as possible for everyone, and we are working as quickly as we can to achieve that. We look forward to sharing continued updates with our customers and community, and working together to make our vehicles as safe as possible.
“Just want to say that the Shortseller Enrichment Commission is doing incredible work. And the name change is so on point!” Elon
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