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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 22, 2013 - 10:15pm PT
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Any reasonable people amongst you CAGW latter day Nature Denialists, or are you all a bunch of deadenders
I'm a dead-ender.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 22, 2013 - 10:17pm PT
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For Dick,I have been more than reasonable ,from the start.Who was it that asked personal questions,tried to interject complete falsehoods,and even bragg as to their position here.
You start mocking men like ED,Base,even lowly me about science,you are going to have to face someone like myself.
And you know what ,i am going through a divorce right now,losing our house,and i have no family left.
I AM A DEAD ENDER.but i give a shyt
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 22, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
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Good Ron ,i can respect that.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 22, 2013 - 10:28pm PT
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Recognizing denial
In politicized instances of denial such as climate change denial, HIV/AIDS denial, or Holocaust denial, research is necessary to establish the "truth". It is only on that basis that one can confirm the presence of denial or denialism. That research can only plausibly be carried out by experts. Those wishing to expose denialism must therefore refer to the opinions of experts. Denialism often involves questioning the expertise of self-declared experts, considering their possible bias, or considering the possible inherent bias of the system in which they work. For example one may question the objectivity of the peer-review system according to which academic research is accepted for publication in leading academic journals.
Even in this case, it is possible to recognize denial by an objective criterion based on Freud's original theory. Denial is associated with the defence mechanism of psychological repression of emotion. These emotions are released when the denial is identified or challenged. The emotion is then repressed again (it seems to disappear) and the topic is not discussed unless there is another challenge. In this way, the topic becomes taboo. This is an unusual behavioral pattern: normally, when a question is so important that people get emotional about it, those same people continue to discuss it until it is resolved or there is some progress toward a solution. The emotion motivates the search for a solution.
wiki
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 22, 2013 - 10:45pm PT
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its good yur looking that up and posting it here Norton
thanks, Ron!
it was aimed squarely at YOU, Ron
for you are the ultimate DENIER of facts, truth, logic, and reason
glad you see why I posted that
have a wonderful evening Ron
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 22, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
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Yes Bruce it's springtime in wasillastan for sarah and all the damn russians. Norton, i'm glad you recognize your, and the CAGW crowds, denial and are studying its psychology. It's the first step in the retrieval of yourselves from that cult of doom you guys were mired in.
And Wilbeer, if you are truly reasonable read those back to back statements from prophet Trenbreth that i posted an hour or so ago, then read Nortons denial post and you will be on your way to recovery. We'll be here on the other side to welcome your recovery. Anything you need, little brother, on the difficult road to reality-just ask.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 22, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
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Bruce, good that your studying up on authoritarianism because you'll need to know how to be a lap dog servant under the junta's thumb if your little imagined utopia ever is born. Conviction is something they pronounce on you in the comrades kangaroo court and different from what you call conviction but is actually an absolute certainty of reality that rationalists see.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 22, 2013 - 11:43pm PT
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Clearly not compensating.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 22, 2013 - 11:44pm PT
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All is relatively quiet on the front Chief. The helm is yours.
Bruce-bone up on the wasillastan dialect.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 22, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
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I watched the whole thing Chief! Nice save by that one dude. Hard to imagine going that fast in a car even. Most I ever did was 115-120 when I had my 650 V-Strom.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 23, 2013 - 12:57am PT
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is it true that there is going to be a sequel to "Thelma and Louise" but this time with two dudes? I want to know who is going to play Thelma--Le Chef or Rong---probably Rong since he is younger and taller. Theme will be the same---driving off a cliff!!
It's too bad the rest of us have to share the planet with those who have total disdain for mother earth.
and a little known fact of science is how much we are all related to each other!!!
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 23, 2013 - 08:43am PT
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Thanks for the above^^research papers ED!!
Once again it shows that some will cherry pick comments, take them out of context and that people like Le Chef, Ricky, Rong and other deniers will believe and use them in places like ST spreading the misinformation.
It is very difficult when the people you ae "debating" won't do real research, simple experiments at home, read (the research others post), or even THINK.
By the way I do like the photo of the guy riding the bike on his stomach Chief but you really should check out "the world's fastest indian" it is a story about a man from New Zealand who modified an Indian Motorcycle and as an old man set the land speed record (that still stands for that cc motorcycle). Not sure of the speed but I think it was approaching 300 mph and was done sometime in the 70's if I recall correctly---Anthony Hopkins plays the guy.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 23, 2013 - 09:41am PT
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^^ completely clueless regarding the suns history... along with everything else. There are countless x-double digits flares on record. x3 is small.
The Chaff arguing with Ed or Chiloe is about as insignificant as an x3 followed by 10+ x-double digits in the last decade.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 23, 2013 - 09:54am PT
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Oh the stupidity!!!
It all does what it wants when it wants to.
No. It all follows physical laws. There are no "wants" in physics.
All it takes is one? Hmmm, there have been countless. Sorry, wrong again.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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May 23, 2013 - 09:59am PT
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once you blow the onsight, doe's it really matter how many attempts it takes to redpoint?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 23, 2013 - 09:59am PT
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hmmm, Bruce makes some compelling arguments. Maybe all this science stuff really is no better than unwarranted confidence in one's own ignorance.
I think I blew the OS on that thing behind the tree at Hardware... or maybe I OS'd it? Can't remember... but I know I did it twice in one day because it was fun... or maybe because the gf tried it and failed and I had to clean it... hmmm, I guess it doesn't really matter. What was the question?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 23, 2013 - 10:13am PT
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slab dyno!
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 23, 2013 - 11:13am PT
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After Ed's late night document dump it leaves me wondering what is his motive? He says he does not directly work in the climate science field. Is he just an innocent egghead following the data with absolute scientific purity, free of the bias afflicting much of mankind, to a conclusion with clarity beyond question or has this multi trillion dollar doomsday cult taken over the bureaucracy to the point that government scientists, regardless of their remoteness to climate science and the extent of their illusion of independance, fear for their jobs in questioning the machine, sometimes to the point of desperately trying to reinforce its fallacies.I can tell you this with certainty; the high preist Trenberth is all over the board with his statements and only under the 'high' of the circular reinforcement logic of his most ardent admirers does he go out on the shaky limb of full endorsement. For any of you whose minds are still open i invite you to go back to my post of last evening and open and carefully read Trenberths two statements-this is him during moments of conscience.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 23, 2013 - 11:35am PT
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ok, i didn't know that Chief. Now it makes perfect sense-motive greed. Below is a link to Roy Spencer's paper after they addressed the critics. Conclusion is the same and even Trenberth admits, when he speaks his conscience, that the science has many many unknowns and the models diverge grossly from reality.Ed mentioned this paper had been refuted, what he didn't say is that it had been reworked to answer any legitimate crtiques.
http://www.bing.com./search?=on+the+misdiagnosis+of+surface+temperatures+feedbacks+frc
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 23, 2013 - 11:40am PT
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Ed your a goddamned hypocrite,get a degree of dignity back and recuse yourself from this discussion. You are wholly owned by the CAGW radicals.
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