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mountainlion
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California
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May 22, 2013 - 03:27pm PT
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For several decades now, the Arctic has been warming twice as fast as any other region on Earth — one of the clearest symptoms of human-caused global warming. And it has been contributing more to sea level rise than Antarctica has.
Here is some updated info for you Ron, Ricky, and Le Chef. newsflash but the Artic, Antartic, and Greenland are all MELTING just as science predicted.
In research published last November, scientists reached something of a consensus on what the warming has been doing to the polar ice sheets. Here’s Richard Kerr’s summary (subscription required) in the journal Science:
By the new reckoning, the Greenland ice sheet lost 263±30 billion tons of ice per year from 2005 to 2010. Overall, Antarctica lost about 81 billion tons per year in the same period; the huge East Antarctic portion of the ice sheet registered a small gain, more than offset by losses in West Antarctica and the adjacent Antarctic Peninsula. Since 1992, the two ice sheets lost enough ice to raise sea level by about 0.6 millimeters per year on average, out of the observed 3 millimeters per year. (Most of the rest of the sea level rise came from melting mountain glaciers and from the expansion of seawater due to warming.)
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/imageo/2013/02/18/surface-ice-in-greenland-is-melting-in-winter/
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McHale's Navy
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Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 22, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
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Yet "global warming" is occurring with flat lined temps the last fifteen years and make sense of that.
Ron, these are 'feedbacks'. That amount of cold water dumping into the oceans cools things off. It can only go on for so long though, and warming will continue. This is kind of what is known as the 'missing heat'. You can't have a cooling planet and these kinds of gigatons of melt at the same time. A flat-line as you call it is not really flat. To maintain the heat that the planet is maintaining, at the same time that these huge melts are occurring, is NOT flat.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 22, 2013 - 03:33pm PT
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Antartic ice has grown 2.7% in the last 30 years.
Artic ice has decreased 47% in that same time period.
Wait, i know what you guys are going to say ,without you even looking it up.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 22, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
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As posted above, it's the sea-ice that is inceasing, the continental ice is decreasing at a rapid rate and making it easier for sea level water to freeze because the water is fresher.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 22, 2013 - 04:09pm PT
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http://www.businessinsider.com/islands-threatened-by-climate-change-2012-10?op=1
I gotta admit Ron I was ROFLMAO when I read your "researchin n shyt" post...are you actually reading what you research?? The ice sheets actually melt at different rates according to what spot of the continent is being measured. Antartic ice sheets are growing in the east but are losing far more ice in the WEST of antartica.
By the way the islands in the link above are DISAPPEARING don't believe it use some of your indigenous people skills I know you have and ASK personally!!
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 22, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
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OK Ron ,where does it say wind caused GW.
You are a master at providing links.
The poster boy for climate change denial.
Dick,the Chef, c'mon help your boy out here.
Convert[s],please ,help .
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crunch
Social climber
CO
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May 22, 2013 - 04:31pm PT
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And where didya get that cut'n'pasty job?
website:
http://isthereglobalcooling.com/about_the_author
run by a Washington DC auto dealer "and former National Automobile Dealers Association board member" called Geoffrey Pohanka.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 22, 2013 - 04:33pm PT
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" Beware when you hear Hi, were from the govt and were here to help".
Ron, didn't you work for the 'govt'?
Yes Mchale and he says the best theory of the antartic growth is ,,,
Ron, why can't you at least distinguish between continental ice and sea ice. Why do you do that? Don't you see the difference AND the connection?
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 22, 2013 - 04:38pm PT
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So you are/were a good guy in government - not one of the evil ones Reagan was talking about in that quote of his? That being;
Hi, were from the govt and were here to help
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 22, 2013 - 04:42pm PT
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Slobbering here
Thanks Chief!
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 22, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
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Ron just like in the movie "training day" when Denzel asks Ethan Hawke what was his most memorable FELONY ARREST---What was your most memorable felony arrest as a LEO (what we call TOOLS in JTree---because they look like ninja turtles with all the equipment they carry).
After that please explain the difference between SEA ICE SHEETS and CONTINENTAL ICE SHEETS and how they impact Sea level. Thanks
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 22, 2013 - 05:17pm PT
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Sorry Ron, i thought your post said "are we now blaming wind for GW"
But you still have to work on that link thing.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 22, 2013 - 05:54pm PT
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good stories Ron!
I am still waiting for the difference between Sea Ice Sheets and Continental Ice Sheets and how they impact Sea Level.
Could you get on to answering that question please?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - May 22, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
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Is it me, or is it really true that all the deniers are strong Faux News enthusiasts?
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 22, 2013 - 06:09pm PT
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I think Ron works for FAUX News doing research and fact checking--it's a pretty cush job and he gets to telecommute to boot!!
I have an experiment for you to try at home Ron:
You need two glasses, water, ice, tape, magic marker, notebook, pen and paper towels.
Step one fill one glass with ice to the top but NOT over the top of the glass then fill that glass with water to the rim. Label this glass Sea Ice
Step two fill the other glass with ice to the top and add water then continue putting ice in the glass going over the rim as high as you can. Label this glass Continental Ice
Step three wait for the ice to melt and write down what you observe.
I look forward to your observations!!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 22, 2013 - 06:15pm PT
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welcome to the NFL, mountainlion
maddening, eh?
ron will simply wear you out, he has more stamina to not correct himself than you do to keep posting
soon enough you will learn to accept this.
resistance is futile......
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 22, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
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Norton ,you seem to be correct ,sir.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 22, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
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You probably mean the rate of increase in ocean levels is falling. There's hardly any way the levels themselves can be falling. That is outright silly, unless somebody pulled the plug down there.
Even with no glacier melt the oceans expand as they heat, but they could contract back some as the feedback of cold water from icemelt flows back into them.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 22, 2013 - 06:50pm PT
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see what I mean? At least 3 out of 4 there say the rate is slowing, the rising itself is not stopping.
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