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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 22, 2013 - 01:19am PT
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It's still a record year and that says nothing of the ice volume. It's starts off in record territory, then melts at a slower rate, then accelerates off the chart. A record is a record even if it does not impress you.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 22, 2013 - 01:23am PT
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Le Chef nope don't know Paul's Paradise but rescuing people is pretty cool...as for you Rong I don't think you reading comprehension skills are that finely tuned...and the evidence you post is just as unoriginal as mine except I post the links.
Humans are changing the planet and we have the opportunity to either do something about it (just like rescuing climbers) or do nothing...I want us to do something and quit arguing about the science which is showing that fossil fuels are heating our planet at an unprecedented rate.
As far as the tribe speaking--I know what they said because most of them don't have computers and climbed with me all the time. While one person did and took offense to how I portrayed his country and his technical climbing skills--I choose to repair that relationship. In fact I emailed you that I never contacted the U.S. Embassy, I was advised to tell that to people who may want to visit our country to prevent possible violence against me and my petite wife.
As far as being impressed I don't care what you think you don't matter in my life just as I don't matter in yours---and that is ok by me.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
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May 22, 2013 - 01:33am PT
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That was a good movie!
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 22, 2013 - 01:52am PT
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le Chef:
1) when has the earth warmed this fast in our planet's past?
2) what is the cause of this rapid rise if humans are not?
please provide SOURCES plural--coincidentally the source you provided on the last post said that the published article may have changes...
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raymond phule
climber
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May 22, 2013 - 02:20am PT
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Interesting, determining a rate of change over 10-100 years on a graph with a scale of millions of years. My calculations show that 100 years in your graph is about 0.001 inches. I would have thought that it is quite difficult to see differences that small.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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May 22, 2013 - 02:48am PT
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Hey, Chief nice to see you around. Were you climbing on Cardinal Pinnacle on Saturday by any chance? There was someone who looked like you.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 22, 2013 - 03:44am PT
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Has anyone checked into the role albedo change played in summer melt on Greenlands ice sheet due particulates from the coal burning power plants in easterm north america,England and the scandinavian countries that accumulated
over the industrial age-Ed
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 22, 2013 - 08:15am PT
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Thanks for the graphs Chief but I think the graph should be widened over the last half million years and broken down into segments of 10 years (over that time)---then we would be able to see how pronounced the spikes actually are---and also it is obvious if there is an event such as a meteor hitting the earth the climate changes very rapidly due to all the dust in the air.
Rick--it is obvious that the coal power plants in N. America and Scandinavia and in fact the whole world play a MAJOR role in ice melting--I did this experiment with young children at Montessori pre-school (a contract I had to perform science experiments once a week at the school). We used colored construction paper and magnifying glasses as well as a styrofoam cup. The experiment was to see how long it took for the magnifying glass to burn a hole through the paper--obviously dark black was almost instantaneous even for a child's dexterity using the lens--it got progressively harder until it was time for the styrofoam cup (also as the colors became closer to white the children began having trouble focusing the lens intensively enough due to their motor skills---Only I was able to focus the lens intensely enough for the lens to burn or melt the cup---try it yourself---their is a big difference between "gloss white" and "off white" as ice would be with silt on it.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 22, 2013 - 08:37am PT
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I agree Chief--we are part of the planet and our effects must be considered now in evolution--Yes you are correct we can't stop evolution. You are also correct that we are no better than any other entity walking the planet we don't deserve to live any more than a fly deserves to.
Where I think you are wrong is how we act because of this. Using yourself as an example I imagine you are a very prepared individual when responding to a rescue--I bet you have practiced and have your gear ready in advance. WHY? Is it because a few minutes can make a big difference in the outcome?
This rock will be here long after we are gone and I agree with you WE WILL BE GONE but I still want to fight to prolong a high quality of life for future generations as long as possible. I am just one bug hitting a windshield but there are a lot of bugs and if you don't clean your windhield you won't be able to see through it.
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raymond phule
climber
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May 22, 2013 - 10:34am PT
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Actually, in the scheme of things, it is not. We humans think that things go along at our pace of time and we should/can control that. We don't. Life on earth and throughout the Universe does not go according to human time values. Oh the egoism. University education does not deem you all powerful and controller. Just makes you another entity walking this planet no better than the other. None I tell you.
Why did you quote me and then write something completely irrelevant to what you did quote?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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May 22, 2013 - 11:22am PT
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The Chief warmed up as Knotts, before resuming his normal role.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 22, 2013 - 11:41am PT
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This is exactly how I see most of my hyper-conservative friends, and I have very few of those. Still don't really care for them at all.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 22, 2013 - 11:41am PT
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Ron ,you have read the nasa page,but just blindly believe naturalnews.com.
You are just plain smart.
With ya ,Norton,not a one.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 22, 2013 - 11:50am PT
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That is just it,your source ,naturalnews.com,has no facts to dispute.The article is opinion,not fact.Read,i know it must hurt,the NASA statement.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 22, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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And what does the NASA site say ,Ron?
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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May 22, 2013 - 11:57am PT
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Er, um, because we read the Nasa article.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 22, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
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Thanks Monolith,i needed a good laugh.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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May 22, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
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Yep, Norton, undeniable. (also, ip address are not banned here. Most people at home have dynamic IP's, that can change when the link is rebooted)
No one else in this thread uses long sequences of ^ to point upward
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 22, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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Yep,read it ,Ron,again opinion.The facts are at the NASA page,where does NASA say,GW is debunked,or CO2 is cooling the earth.
They dont ,everything else is conjecture.
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