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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 06:23pm PT
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Ron have you not read the links regarding CO2 emissions I posted in the last 10 minutes??? Reading you know stringing letters together left to right!!
By the way is that cat real, stuffed, or ceramic???
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 21, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
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For fuksake dude. Nobody has ever said CO2 is the ONLY thing that causes climate change. Remember when you threw out all those other possibilities, the ones the scientific community has DEFINITIVELY shot down as the potential cause of the current observations? Why are you so inclined to ignore them when it comes to past climate change?
Simple answer: 290 ppm vs 400 ppm, 400ppm is much higher than 290 ppm.
Please stop being such an idiot. I was just starting to think you were an okay guy again.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
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Sorry Ron---I was TRYING to be funny :)
However your still RONG about the science!!
Did you READ the emission studies?????
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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May 21, 2013 - 06:43pm PT
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No, Ron, the polar bear is suffering from climate change and will suffer more when the ice disappears. They will become a land based bear, hybridizing more with other land based bears. Eventually they will lose their pure white fur, because it is a disadvantage on land. We will then have lost the traditional polar bear.
Similarly, American Indians were driven from their native lands onto reservations and suffered tremendously. They survive today, but they have lost much of the traditional native culture that flourished hundreds of years ago.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 21, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
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christ Ron, they are well know... which is why they can ABSOLUTELY 100% BE RULED OUT as possible explanations for the current observations. All the best possible explanations the Big Oil funded "scientists" could come up with have shot down.
Which leaves ONE possibility and it comes directly from using Big Oil's product. It is now at 400 ppm, a concentration higher than it has been in millions of years.
Honestly though, I was starting to think you were cooler than I originally thought. I guess I just hadn't read your bullshit for a while.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 21, 2013 - 06:53pm PT
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ok You got me there not higher
yes, you were flat wrong when you "assumed" without knowing that CO2 levels were HIGHER in the past
and that really is the issue, Ron
the fact that, honestly, you could save yourself and all of us a lot of time and words calling out your constant inaccurate and just downright wrong statements that you make
why not learn from all this, Ron?
instead of continually assuming that because you think something that it just must be true?
in fact, try the opposite, assume you are wrong first and that way you will post only what is factually true because you won't be posting that much!
saves on typing
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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May 21, 2013 - 07:00pm PT
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Wes in those millions of years you mention there have been dramatic changes and there always WILL BE what we consider dramatic changes.
And yet there has NOT been 400 ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere, nor has there been a 40% increase in CO2 over a few decades.
It is UNFUKINPRECEDENTED. Think about it.
If you normally drink 10 beers over 5 hours at a campfire and do just fine, but then one night drink 14 in an hour, you gonna be fuked man. It really ain't that hard to understand.
400 ppm is significant and it is a direct result of our actions.
40% increase over a short period of time is significant and it is a direct result of our actions.
and all you gots is "eh, we don't know for sure... there are like changes and stuff... derrrrr."
Pathetic.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 21, 2013 - 07:03pm PT
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Ron ,highest temps ever recorded last year ,glaciers and artic ice going away faster than ever recorded.
It is amazing,you should be demanding compensation from Exxon,the Kochs and every FRUITCAKE this side of Limbaugh.
What does it feel like to be a puppet?
When you decide to post credible facts ,some might take you a bit more seriously.
And we know you did not go to college.
It is obvious.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 21, 2013 - 07:13pm PT
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Keep that sense of humor,it will do you well.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
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Ron "Knotts posted GREAT graphs" ROTFLMAO!!!
please repost the GREAT graphs Ron!!!
I need to burn some calories and a good laugh is supposed to be good for stress help a brother out!!
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
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Ron
Sorry to hurt your feelings--again but get over it will ya!
I'm just like you (except I have a degree and you probably climb better)... but I'm on the correct side of the debate.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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May 21, 2013 - 07:56pm PT
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Hard to get a word in edgewise here, but I have a question for some of the more recently active alarmists:
What are the grounds for your contention that the big oil companies are somehow tricking the public regarding global warming?
I just looked the position of the the two (by far) largest US oil companies.
If they're trying to trick the public into thinking that climate change isn't happening and/or that human release of CO2 isn't related, they are doing either the world's worst job or have some brilliant second-level psychological operation going on.
http://www.chevron.com/globalissues/climatechange/
http://www.exxonmobil.com/Corporate/safety_climate_mgmt.aspx
For example, from ExxonMobil:
Rising greenhouse-gas emissions pose significant risks to society and ecosystems. Since most of these emissions are energy-related, any integrated approach to meeting the world’s growing energy needs over the coming decades must incorporate strategies to address the risk of climate change.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
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blah blah it is well documented how the large oil companies have suppressed other renewable energy sources for several decades.
Perhaps most significantly they were successful in making mass transit the least desirable option (if it an option at all in most cities) in the U.S..
Cars were marketed in a way that makes it seem as if everybody HAS to have one and what do you know---today you do have to have one. That isn't the case in most areas of the world.
I find it hard to believe that you don't understand how big oil is able to shape the debate---only recently have they made an effort to be environmentally conscious but even that is a FACADE. They don't want the world to stop using their product until/unless they are in control of what we use next. (that is why we don't have solar panels on roofs nationwide). Instead energy companies want large fields they own to be the spout for renewable energy.
Even a 3rd world country like the Philippines has better public transportaion than the U.S. and there are several forms of it---You don't need a car to live or travel there (in fact most don't have cars).
Ron any citation of the radio program or professor???
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
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May 21, 2013 - 08:36pm PT
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One Word ,Weak ,so very weak.
I see ya skipped math class to.Rick.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
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KNOTT"S is gone and suddenly THE CHEF returns!!! I say CHEF cause he's gonna cook some yellow legged tree frogs for his dogs!! Eat a few for me chief as long as your getting them from Williamson Rocks --hopefully they arrest your ass, fine you, and take the gear used to capture the tree frogs---even though I always have thought it BS we can't climb Williamson because of the YLTF.
Where have you been trapped in a YELLOW SUBMARINE???
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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May 21, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
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rSin---I never got to climb at Williamson because of the closure...but it looks like amazing granite!!
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 21, 2013 - 08:56pm PT
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Cus you eco ego infested bio sh#t wads
nice to have you back, The Chief
so how is being Navy retired and living on a fixed income coming along?
when you were posting previously you expressed concern that one of your objections to all this climate change stuff was that you personally might someday maybe have to pay a "carbon tax"
have you been saving up for that day Chief?
cutting back on coffee a little every day?
and Chief, yes I really really like that bike, is it yours?
and don't go bad mouthing Norton Commandos, you know damn well they still be manly beasts
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 21, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
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very cool bikes, Chief
and rSin asked:
wheres that pic taken norton?
well, the picture was taken in a parking lot of a coffe shop near my home in Albuquerque
I don't know how or why in the world you would use that picture and go off on your rant about prison labor
just looking for an opportunity, eh?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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May 21, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
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Ode to the Chief's bike
The Buell XB12 Lighting is quite unlike any other roadgoing motorcycle, though it draws a logical comparison with the Cagiva Xtraraptor and Ducati Monster. All three involve massive fuel-injected v-twin motors with minimalistic styling, but the Buell does it differently … very differently. For starters, it has 20% more engine capacity, and produces more torque delivered lower in the rev range than its competitors. The real trickery behind the Buell is not the engine though – it is the radical forged aluminium chassis. The fruit of countless hours of computer simulation of the stresses which motorcycle chassis’ undergo, it is as rigid as it looks, and doubles duty as a petrol tank, while the massive swinging arm also multi-tasks as the oil tank.
and now, the NEW 2013 Norton Commando:
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