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Klimmer
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San Diego
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:14pm PT
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China "Mystery Missile" off L.A. - Ret. General "It was a missile" Michio Kaku "It was an illusion"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ArWaJZ-uA
I like PhD Michio Kaku, but here he is really wrong.
I hope he comes around to the truth and admits he is wrong when it is overwhelming proved. That will not be good for his reputation.
We have RADAR showing a jet? Bull Dung.
Kaku hands out sooo many lies in just a few short minutes it is hard to keep track. Sooo much disinfo. Sad when they trot out scientists on the government dole. What does he have a government grant proposal that needs to be approved or re-approved? Time to kick back a favor?
Stereo vision sets the truth free.
GOES satellite images during the event sets the truth free.
Trigonometry sets the truth free.
The General is absolutely correct.
I didn't write the below, just copying it from the video post. He is a little too harsh on PhD Michio Kaku. I would just claim Kaku is having brain farts. Just a bad day. Drank the Kool-aid, or whatever works to excuse himself. Too funny.
ThirdPartyGuiltTrip — November 12, 2010 — China {97% chance} test fired an ICBM 35 miles off the coast of Los Angeles as a show of strength, direct repudiation of the U.S. meddling in the South China Sea, on the heels of The Feds announcement of devaluing the USD, all while our fearless 'leader' 'obama' and Hitler-y Clinton were overseas, &, it was just a beautiful sunset, perfect for launching missiles. I saw the smoke column my self while walking - It was not 'an illusion'. So, let's compare these 2 contradicting viewpoints - A.) Ret. General Tom Micinerney "It was a missile" B.) Michio Kaku "It was an optical illusion" Just thought I'd compare these two clips, too not only point out that it was completely obvious a missile 35 miles off the Coast of Los Angeles, but that Michi Kaku, a theoretical physicist has lost all credibility. So, we have a credible Ret. General and former fighter pilot, Ret. General Tom Micinerney vs. the idiotic, Zero credibility junk science Big Bang/String Theory/Dark Matter/Energy pusher Michio Kaku. CONTRADICTIONS & LIES ------------------------------<wbr>------------- Michio Kaku contradicts himself 3 times in this clip. 1.) 1:54 He refers to the object as a rocket. An ICBM is guided rocket yes, but he knows full well that ICBM's don't have 'booster rockets' attached to the side. No one was claiming that this was a space shuttle launch. Moreover, you can clearly see the single, burning halo on that back of this object, indicating a single engine. 2.) 2:10 "It's going in the wrong direction" We NEVER fire missiles headed towards the West!?!?! Yet, this completely absolves his own argument - If this object is coming towards us, {East to West} is Kaku claiming that this 'plane' took off from the surface of the Pacific Ocean, based on the path of this so-called 'contrail' ??? {Maybe they were skimming the water to do some fly fishing before NEVER LANDING at LAX} If it was traveling east to West, why didn't it land at LAX? What flight was it? What airline? 3.) 3:17 "We see no evidence of a fast moving object" Really Michio? What's that on the f*#kin screen behind you??? Do we not ALL "see a fast moving object" right nex to Kaku's head? Is this not "video evidence"? Besides, if it had stealth capability or was being covered-up by the military, how accurate would those radar records be? Also, if this were a commercial flight, it has yet to be ID'd, flight number, airline, ect. Other blatant and obvious f*#k-ups from Kaku... 2:00 He keeps calling it a 'contrail' when it has a clear and obvious 'corkscrew' pattern indicating a rocket or... a missile. 'Contrails', as opposed to 'chemtrails' linger for 15-20 minutes maximum, this one was there for over an hour. Sorry pal, wrong again! 1:54 "The object is no accelerating" Really Michio? The how the FOCK is it rocketing into the stratosphere? 2:07 "Ballistic missiles never change course" uhh... yeah they do retard. Please see the ret. General @ 0:44 "meaning that the guidance system has now kicked in" ICBM's are 'guided missiles' dumbass!
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:19pm PT
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From KCBS the day after they filmed the contrail:
The video of what looks for all the world like the contrail of a missile was shot Monday evening by KCBS cameraman Gil Leyvas from a news helicopter over Los Angeles.
"I saw a big plume coming up, rising from looked like beyond the horizon and it continued to grow," Leyvas said.
He zoomed his camera in and stayed on it for about 10 minutes. To him it looked like an incoming missile.
"It was unique. It was moving," he said. "It was growing in the sky."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/10/earlyshow/main7040379.shtml
If Leyvas spent 10 minutes videotaping it, why did they release only a few seconds worth? Where are the other 9 1/2 minutes of video? Why don't they release them?
Klimmer tells us that we have to give credit to Leyvas account because he is an expert with many years of experience and he was there and we were not.
Leyvas saw it personally and in stereo vision (with his own two eyes) and he says it looked like an incoming missile. Compare this to Klimmer's claim that his stereograms show the "missile" arcing away towards the NW. This is the opposite of what Leyvas says.
Either Leyvas' natural stereo vision wasn't working or Klimmer's homemade stereograms are defective.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:23pm PT
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I swore off this dumb thread, but I can't help myself I guess.
LOL.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:24pm PT
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You should really consider the possibility that you aren't as smart as you think your are.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:32pm PT
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I'd better take a break, or I'll bust a gut.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:34pm PT
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News Flash just in.
Man ran out of gas on the #405 on the date questioned and took this picture.
Proves Klimmer is right. So now ends the story and now I can have my life back.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:40pm PT
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Mike,
You are misrepresenting what I said again. You do this often. How come? Many people saw it and many people said it was a missile.
I do think the KCAL helicopter had the best viewing seat in the house. Are you going to dispute this? And the cameraman never said it was coming toward the coast.
I'm in complete agreement with the General . . . he knows what he is talking about and he isn't afraid to say so. A true American.
Ret. General Tom Micinerney "It was a missile" and he even explains the evidence that is so clearly seen just like I do. Pay attention to the coarse correction statement. This is critical. You can see it in the oblique images of the missile exhaust/vapor plume and you can see the course correction in the verticalish GOES satellite images also. Bingo.
China "Mystery Missile" off L.A. - Ret. General "It was a missile" Michio Kaku "It was an illusion"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50ArWaJZ-uA
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:47pm PT
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Show us your trig Klimmer.
With two stationary views, one from Long Beach and one from LAX, it's a very simple problem to determine whether the missile has been fired towards the US or away.
We even know Rick Warren's location in Long Beach if it matters.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:51pm PT
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Mono,
You haven't shown where that image came from.
How can we be sure it isn't made up crap like you provided before?
I'm using images I know where they are from, and that they are indeed from 11-8-10.
Show me an exact location perspective from 11-8-10 that hasn't been doctored, and we can use it.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:52pm PT
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And the cameraman never said it was coming toward the coast.
He said that it looked like an incoming missile. An incoming missile is one coming towards him. He was over the coast. So he is saying that the missle was coming towards the coast.
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monolith
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Berkeley, CA
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:56pm PT
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The locations are very clear Klimmer.
I'll post them.
And really Klimmer, the exact locations do not matter if you know your right hand from your left hand.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Nov 16, 2010 - 07:56pm PT
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Provide the quote and source.
I can provide his words regarding his actual description.
You first.
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Nov 16, 2010 - 08:15pm PT
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I like PhD Michio Kaku, but here he is really wrong.
I hope he comes around to the truth and admits he is wrong when it is overwhelming proved. That will not be good for his reputation.
Pot, kettle...doh!
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 16, 2010 - 08:32pm PT
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This is the best thread on SuperTopo .....
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 16, 2010 - 08:54pm PT
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The missile was transporting Elvis (who had been hiding in a bowling alley) to a secret colony on Mercury. It was funded by Castro who had paid Elvis to shoot Kennedy- the CIA had finally discovered the conspiracy and were closing in on him.
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Nov 16, 2010 - 09:01pm PT
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1. ICBMs are by definition intercontinental - they aren't launched from submarines.
2. IRBMs, cruise missiles and torpedoes are launched from submarines.
3. Why would China, if it had the ability, launch an IRBM from a submarine 60 km off Los Angeles? (Not admitting in the slightest that there's any truth to such fantasies.) The US military is well aware that China has submarines able to do such things, and it doesn't "prove" anything. If any submarine really did launch such a missile, it would likely lead to immediate retaliation. The reaction times are too short to take a chance that it isn't hostile.
4. A missile launch from an identified foreign submarine in or close to US territorial waters would likely be treated as casus belli.
5. The chances that the US military doesn't know where all Chinese, Russian and other foreign submarines are, at all times, seem rather slim. You can hide them for a while, but if they move any distance, which eventually they must, they can be found.
Like klimmer's other fantasies, the reason that the government response to the various allegations isn't particularly consistent is that there is no story to tell. Nothing happened.
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Gene
Social climber
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Nov 16, 2010 - 09:09pm PT
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1. ICBMs are by definition intercontinental - they aren't launched from submarines.
You sure about that?
Agree with everything else.
g
EDIT: MH is right. By definition, an ICBM goes from continent to continent. Ergo, if it's launched at sea, it can't be an ICBM.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
SoCal
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Nov 16, 2010 - 09:28pm PT
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Okay. So far the military (who can track a 6 inch bolt floating around in orbit, supposedly) has no press release on this.
It can only mean that the truth is something so weird and so embarrassing that no one would believe it. Couldn't even build a lie around it.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Nov 16, 2010 - 09:32pm PT
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Ok, Klimmer, For the location of Rick Warren's pics see the pic below:
Rick Warren's view location in Long Beach is in the rough area of the bottom of the red line below.
The tall building in the center of the upper pic is at the top of the red line below.
This line roughly points in the direction you have identified as the source of the launch.
This agrees with this Google building reconstruction:
For the second view of the missile:
This is a webcam#2 shot from here.
The current view is:
It overlooks runway 25R at LAX.
Now really, Klimmer, I think we can agree all we need to do is start with a diagram like this where the red line is sourced from LAX and the yellow is Long Beach and they meet at the launch point.
By looking at the two pics below, can we agree that the webcam shot is taken from a location roughly northwest of Rick Warren's location, and they are the same event?
So, are we in basic agreement of these observations, Klimmer?
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