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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:34am PT
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I must confess, I took a bit of liberty in writing the story. I am not a professional investigative reporter. He said he put himself in a compromising position and was shot. He said it happened very fast.
He told me nothing about the actual shooting or what happened after it. I remembered the suspect ran into the woods. So there you have it.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:36am PT
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Klaus, do you have some direct knowledge here that you aren't providing, aren't able to share publicly?
"but he DID shoot himself in the leg"
I checked the other thread and you seem really sure. From the very little I know you via the internet, you seem like a stand up guy.
Is there some facts or circumstances besides what's stated that makes you sure that this incident happens the way you say it did? Ping me on email if you can't say publicly and still want to get the story straight.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Apr 15, 2008 - 12:48pm PT
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No one who wants to live would shoot themselves in the chest. Is that from the official report, Nafarius?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:01pm PT
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Actually there's a guy who manufactures body armor who shoots himself in the chest with .44 magnums on a regular basis to demonstrate the efficacy of his product.
I just don't know about this.
There are elements that just don't pass the smell test, and while he may have responded by phone the guy, reputedly a climber, is certainly not very forthcoming HERE on perhaps the country's premier climbing forum.
Sure people sling a lot of crap around here, but it only tends to stick if you give it reason to.
And there was a big enough hubbub over this incident to justify a public airing.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:17pm PT
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Ron wrote
"There are elements that just don't pass the smell test, and while he may have responded by phone the guy, reputedly a climber, is certainly not very forthcoming HERE on perhaps the country's premier climbing forum. "
Whether he is guilty or innocent, he would be savaged here and everybody knows it.
He did something by calling and that's more than many of us would have done
Peace
Karl
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:24pm PT
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But I can assure you Karl, less by at least one, and there are few who doubt it.
Besides, being "savaged" by this crowd should be a point of honor. lol
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yo
climber
The Eye of the Snail
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Apr 15, 2008 - 01:32pm PT
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Kim is a girlz name.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
the secret life of T*R
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Apr 15, 2008 - 02:48pm PT
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how come no one has addressed this?
" 'he was on patrol in Tuolumne about 10 pm when he spotted a pedestrian where no pedestrian should have been' "
sounds a little fishy to me. where exactly is it that no pedestrian should be?"
seriously. what the hell?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 15, 2008 - 03:04pm PT
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It was stated before, but whose words ARE those?
If it was Aufhauser then I really DO smell a rat.
"A pedestrian where no pedestrian should be"?
C'MON!!!!!!!
That is absurd!
Never mind that it is a description of virtually ANY climber (LOL), we're talking YOSEMITE.
Its not a one block city park where they roll up the sidewalk after dark.
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Apr 15, 2008 - 03:04pm PT
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What was the source of the rumor that he shot himself? That is the one who should be questioned. Probabally some NPS brown noser trying to move up the ladder of corruption.
If I were a ranger and I see someone walking on the road at 10 PM several miles from the meadows, I would stop. Maybe they need a lift, or were lost.
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
sorry, just posting out loud.
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Apr 15, 2008 - 05:20pm PT
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i think that language was from the 'incident report' which is, I'm guessing, like the NPS 'morning report' which almost always has inaccuracies in it's reporting of "climbing" accidents that my limited exposure to it has seen.
I'm going to try not to post to this thread any further as it seems to be mostly as Largo put it 'yarn', but would appreciate any corrections based in fact.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
the secret life of T*R
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Apr 15, 2008 - 05:39pm PT
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how is the comment a "yarn" when it was said on the phone just yesterday? i'm fairly certain mtnmun is a reliable source.
seriously, i would be pissed if i got hassled while out on a night hike.
since when is it okay to hassle citizens when they're out and about, just because they're there?
i love nighttime activities like moonlight bouldering, night hiking, stargazing and nighttime hide and go seek cuz i'm still a kid like that. soooo....
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
On my way to Boulder
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Apr 15, 2008 - 05:52pm PT
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Maybe he doesn't care what anyone here thinks.
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Standing Strong
Trad climber
the secret life of T*R
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Apr 15, 2008 - 05:59pm PT
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maybe citizens deserve to hear why an LEO paid with our tax dollars would detain someone just because they were out at night
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Apr 15, 2008 - 06:04pm PT
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SS>> seriously, i would be pissed if i got hassled while out on a night hike.
SS>> since when is it okay to hassle citizens when they're out and about, just because they're there?
CG >>Maybe he doesn't care what anyone here thinks.
Not that much evidence that everyone here thinks.
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Crimpergirl
Social climber
On my way to Boulder
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Apr 15, 2008 - 06:06pm PT
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You totally cracked me up Bart!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Apr 15, 2008 - 06:13pm PT
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As Mtnmun said, he didn't 'detain' or 'harass' a pedestrian. He simply pulled over to question them. Maybe he thought they were lost, needed a ride, etc..
Suppose it was an overdue or lost and dehydrated hiker and he drove right by. If you were that hiker you'd be cursing those 'stupid LEO's' for not stopping and offering some assistance.
I find it hard to believe a transient would be carrying a gun (maybe a pot-grower?) but I find it harder to believe this guy would shoot himself 3 times!!!
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Bart Fay
Social climber
Redlands, CA
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Apr 15, 2008 - 06:26pm PT
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Are far as three shots go.
Klaus:...snipped...He also shot at his body armor.
Two 22 shots to the BProof Vest. One to the leg.
Without knowing any details, seems like pretty good shooting in the dark.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 15, 2008 - 08:41pm PT
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Mtmun again did not say whose words those are.
I believe that the scenario in question is whether after accidentally discharging a round into his leg the ranger then removed his uniform top and body armor to shoot twice and claim poacher as a cover up.
If this occurred anywhere near other people it seems highly unlikely he wouldn't be spotted after the first report.
What was the incident location?
Who EXACTLY said "where no pedestrian should be"??????
Mtmun?????
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Apr 15, 2008 - 09:19pm PT
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Kim told me, "he saw a pedestrian in a location where they are not normally found". 10 PM walking along a road? I don't know the location.
Thanks for clearing up the theory, Ron, I could not figure that one out. Is there any evidence this happened, is it in the official report, or, just heresay?
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