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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Mar 27, 2017 - 10:13pm PT
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anybody who assumes their opponent is necessarily without strategy does themselves as much a disservice as assuming their opponent is necessarily playing six dimensional chess...
thanks for the thoughts Ksolem...
time, as always, will tell.
regardless... so far the dems [minus a few like Bernie, who is still out there being Bernie] and most of their supporters continue to get played like fiddles.
when the bow gets pulled, the strings sing a reactionary song.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 28, 2017 - 05:30am PT
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You appeal to the gov you got injured working for. When I contacted them about my case- they only wanted to know how I had found their contact info.
Wait. After all this anti-guberment, fringe-right wailing it turns out you actually work for the guberment? F*#k me, that's just too damn rich and hilarious. Gotta love it when they're whining at the tit.
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c wilmot
climber
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Mar 28, 2017 - 08:56am PT
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Healyje - I used to work for the gov . And trust me- I gave way more than I got back. All with the ideal to help others enjoy the wilderness. Thanks for the appreciation
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John M
climber
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Mar 28, 2017 - 10:07am PT
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C wilmot, your problem is that you seem to believe that its government that is the problem, when in reality it is people who are the problem. It doesn't matter whether its private industry or government, and it doesn't matter whether its big or small institutions. The thing that they all have in common is people. Some people are decent and want to work hard and be fair, and others don't and aren't.
Both industry and government serve a purpose. Each form is better suited for certain kinds of purpose. Such as government is a better form for fire protection. In the days when fire protection was a private enterprise, many stories are told of fire departments fighting with each other over who puts out the fire, meanwhile the house or business burned down. So people joined together and made it part of a government service. Did that make it perfect? Of course not. Why? because people are not perfect. Some are corrupt and nasty, and some are decent and fair. And you will run into those same people in both government and private enterprise.
And by the way.. if you built trails in Yosemite, I hiked and ran many of those trials and always appreciated the work involved. So thanks.. I have many fond memories of Yosemite and met many nice people who worked there. A few as#@&%es too.. :-) not saying that you are the latter.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Mar 28, 2017 - 10:24am PT
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The Government is Not a Business and should never be run like one
The Government is a Charity and only a charity is in the business of giving money away.
The Charity can be corrupt and run only to help the 1% and the those that get the bribes (R)
or it can be socially responsible and run to help those in the most need, and to maintain a healthy middle class (D)
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 28, 2017 - 12:26pm PT
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The Government is Not a Business and should never be run like one
The government wastes billions because of that kind of thinking.
And Democrats govern out of altruism and don't take bribes either. Yep.
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John M
climber
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Mar 28, 2017 - 12:47pm PT
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Government can't create that.
sure they can. People create the culture.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2017 - 03:55pm PT
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A charity? Thats really ridiculous even as a Democrat.
The primary reason for corporations to exist is to make a profit. I learned that in accounting and managerial finance classes. Whenever there is a conflict with regard to social policies or environment, etc... the first choice is to maximize shareholder value.
A government doesn't exist to make a profit. A government exists (hopefully) to provide a social and economic and legal framework for citizens to live harmoniously and pursue their happiness. In this sense, a government IS a charity- a non-profit organization- to collect revenues and deploy them for the common good. A minimalist construction of the common good is "a legal system to protect my property rights, roads to travel around, a protection from highway robbers, and defense from foreign invaders." A more inclusive definition of the common good includes a spectrum of services related to education, healthcare, and in the future world with automation requiring very few human workers, there will need to be some baseline method to provide a source of income to meet the baseline living expenses of every citizen (or just kill them all if they don't have jobs - take yer pick).
Many people get caught up on the fairness/rightness of wealth redistribution, taking my hard earned income and giving it to other slackers. People who subscribe to this don't realize how most of us will soon be in the category of "slackers" and the only ones with "hard earned income" will be those who own all the machines, and that pool of people will keep shrinking over time.
But the point remains, that while a government should be run with the efficiency and professionalism of a well-run business, it in fact exists for a purpose entirely different than a corporation intended to make a profit. This is fundamentally why it is unacceptable to close down government agencies and rely on private industry to perform those roles.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Mar 28, 2017 - 04:50pm PT
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The number one policy issue after healthcare is impeaching the despot for treason.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Mar 28, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
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^^ No! Leave the ineffectual goof in charge for the next few years. Pence is smart AND vicious. That bastard will set us back 50 years.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Mar 28, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
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he's reportedly moving on to tax code distillation after his success, bigly, with healthcare policy.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 28, 2017 - 08:59pm PT
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Biden Backs Legislation Preventing $150 Billion of Student Loan Debt from being Discharged or Renegotiated
Comrade Craig: It is awfully republican of you to not mention or link what was negotiated in return for this.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mar 28, 2017 - 09:04pm PT
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My opinion is that Trump doesn't give two sh*ts about health care, and the last thing he wants is to spend the rest of his first term getting tied up in knots over how to replace the ACA.
So he's willing to take a black eye (in the view of the public and the pundits) to get it out of his way.
And yet, the front page of the NY Times today cites that re-negotiations on the health plan are already underway.......
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 28, 2017 - 09:05pm PT
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Such boring sh!t here.
You guys ever say anything that hasn't already been rehashed for days already all over the news.
OK, I got it!
Your answers are NO.
Yer all just parrots I see ........
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Mar 28, 2017 - 09:07pm PT
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Boring...? Let's talk about leather...
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 28, 2017 - 10:13pm PT
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Want to protect your Internet privacy in the face of failing government that neglects the protection of the citizenry?
Edit: This was a post about Tor and Onion Routing, but I posted prematurely before I realized how ignorant I was on the subject and what is the state of the art and status of government cracking... This spot reserved for an update when I figure out more. I'm checking out I2P and others now.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
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Another voice echoing sentiments I've already shared here, saying what anyone with a spec of intelligence should realize:
http://fortune.com/2017/03/29/house-vote-internet-privacy-congress-legislation-online-regulation-protection/
No way a person can contort themselves into logical knots to construe this as making America great again. Not one person here will have their lives improved by this, and some are certain to lose career opportunities or insurance coverage in the future because of this, and it can and will be used to suppress political dissidents, to blackmail whistle-blowers, as well as more effectively manipulate all of us by what content we are exposed to.
I very purposefully tried to focus on policy issues in this thread rather than a popularity contest of people in office. The silly sports-team mindset that we have in America between Democrats and distracts our focus from the really important differences in policy perspectives, and the only way I see getting past the hoo-rah for each sides preferred team, is to focus on what is actually happening and how it screws or helps us. In the end that is what really makes a difference in our lives, aside from whatever illusory comforts we get from feeling like we are united in celebration of being on a "winning" team or united in grief being on the "losing" team. We are all one country and focusing on the teams will be the downfall of us all.
So keep a tally of which policies you think will make your life better, will make your friends and families' lives better, and what will be the consequences for our nation that ultimately have more long-term impacts for each of us personally.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Mar 29, 2017 - 06:41pm PT
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Well, the swamp hasn't been emptied yet, so I see no improvement
in my life.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Mar 29, 2017 - 07:29pm PT
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We are not one country. What would make you think we are? There's zero evidence. Sorry, but you need to make sure your team wins and get over that ideological silliness.
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