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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Oct 15, 2016 - 11:32am PT
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 15, 2016 - 03:29pm PT
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Ain't nobody got time for that Shakespeare and Faulkner bullsh#t. DYLAN!!
BWA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAAAA!
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 15, 2016 - 04:24pm PT
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I enjoyed The Reivers book and film.
I did not know that McQueen dated Cher
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 22, 2016 - 11:19am PT
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Nobel Academy Member Calls Bob Dylan's Silence 'Arrogant'
Now threatening to rescind and give prize to Donovan.
Perhaps, like Albert Grossman taught him, Bob is just waiting for the check to clear before commenting or maybe he's just gotten too many noise complaints.
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7549993/nobel-prize-academy-member-calls-bob-dylan-silence-arrogant
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Or maybe just the third wheel on the Number 9 heading south from Caroline.
Only two people have declined a Nobel Prize in literature. Boris Pasternak did so under pressure from Soviet authorities in 1958 and Jean-Paul Sartre, who declined all official honors, turned it down in 1964.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 23, 2016 - 02:00am PT
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The Nobel Prize for Lit was awarded to Jean-Paul Sartre in 1964.
At the time nobody on the Nobel Prize Committee (probably) remotely conceived of Dylan as a recipient.
Times change, as we know.
Dylan's silence is rather disturbing to me, as he is playing the mystery man as he has done so many times before in his career. I don't like it, but accept it.
He's older than that now, and he's just being a turd in the pocket of the establishment, in my opinion, playing fast and loose with the minds of the "establishment," as always.
Trouble is, now we olfarts are the establishment. We, who have accepted his foibles all our adult lives, saying that it's just Bob being Bob, should not expect him to act differently.
The times have changed since Sartre felt bound to give legitimate reasons for his refusal of the prize or any other prize.
He wrote:
My reasons for refusing the prize concern neither the Swedish Academy nor the Nobel Prize in itself, as I explained in my letter to the Academy. In it, I alluded to two kinds of reasons: personal and objective.
The personal reasons are these: my refusal is not an impulsive gesture, I have always declined official honors. In 1945, after the war, when I was offered the Legion of Honor, I refused it, although I was sympathetic to the government. Similarly, I have never sought to enter the Collège de France, as several of my friends suggested.
This attitude is based on my conception of the writer’s enterprise. A writer who adopts political, social, or literary positions must act only with the means that are his own—that is, the written word. All the honors he may receive expose his readers to a pressure I do not consider desirable. If I sign myself Jean-Paul Sartre it is not the same thing as if I sign myself Jean-Paul Sartre, Nobel Prizewinner.
The writer who accepts an honor of this kind involves as well as himself the association or institution which has honored him. My sympathies for the Venezuelan revolutionists commit only myself, while if Jean-Paul Sartre the Nobel laureate champions the Venezuelan resistance, he also commits the entire Nobel Prize as an institution.
The writer must therefore refuse to let himself be transformed into an institution, even if this occurs under the most honorable circumstances, as in the present case. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1964/12/17/sartre-on-the-nobel-prize/
It would be silly and presumptuous to speculate as to why Bob has not claimed the prize. It would be a polite gesture, and the act of a gentleman, to do as JPS did and give some reasonable explanation, but he is not bound to do so.
Regardless, the prize is his, it's a done deal, and the prize committee will not rescind the award. He's stuck with it.
As to whether his work is literature, it is small-minded (read snobbish) to say that it's not. Simply because a person has a sheepskin does not make him right. It only shows he's smart enough to earn one.
Beauty is in the mind of the beholder. You either like it or you don't.
Critics and lawyers and hoteliers, three groups we are well to not listen to too much.
How now, zBrowncow?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Oct 23, 2016 - 08:29am PT
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Bob Dylan removes mention of Nobel prize from website
After taking nearly a week to acknowledge award of Nobel prize in literature, sentence noting it disappears from his website
Some fans have suggested Dylan should refuse the title of Nobel laureate – though the Nobel committee does not acknowledge refusals, and continues to list its winners whether or not they want the prize – because the Nobel prize’s founder, Alfred Nobel, was an armaments manufacturer. “My only caveat about the award is that it cheapens Dylan to be associated at all with a prize founded on an explosives and armaments fortune,” Will Self told the Guardian.
However, Dylan – in keeping with his refusal to be categorised – has often associated himself with things that are, to say the least, unexpected. He has in the past appeared in adverts for Victoria’s Secret lingerie, Cadillac and Chrysler cars and Pepsi.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/oct/21/bob-dylan-unacknowledges-nobel-prize-literature-win-removed-website
The woman I love has got devil in her jaw
Clothes she's wearing made out of the best of cloth
She can take 'em and wash 'em, put 'em upside a wall
She can throw 'em out a window, pick 'em up a little before the fall
Sometimes I think you got your habits on
She said You shouldn't say that
I said What did I say to piss you off this time baby?
She said Umm...
I don't know, my oh my, I don't know
But my baby's holding down
-Willie Mabon
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Oct 23, 2016 - 08:40am PT
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I'm no study or judge of great literature, having only read what I consider to be some. Yet Dylan's words as poetry have resonated to me throughout my entire life.
I don't identify with the man himself so much, but the spirit and subject matter of his writing in relation to the times we live in has been as relevant as any others IMO. I've never placed much credence in the words of critics, preferring not to not to taint objectivity by their treatment of the validity and value of art.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 23, 2016 - 09:57am PT
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“My only caveat about the award is that it cheapens Dylan to be associated at all with a prize founded on an explosives and armaments fortune,” Will Self told the Guardian.
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It was Alfred Nobel's intention that part of his legacy was his regret that his discovery led to so much death and destruction.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Using Bob's phrasing, "I'll stand over your graves and regret that you're dead."
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Oct 23, 2016 - 01:16pm PT
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Why don't they give it to Snoop dog?
Now I was raised as a young black male
In order to get paid, forced to make crack sales
Caught a nigga so they send me to these overpacked jails
In the cell, countin days in this livin black Hell, do you feel me?
Keys to ignition, use at your discretion
Roll with a twelve gauge pump for protection
Niggaz hate me in the section from years of chin checkin
Turn to Smith and Wesson war weapons
Heavenly Father I'm a soldier, I'm gettin hotter
cause the world's gettin colder, baby let me hold ya
Talk to my guns like they fly bitches
All you bustas best to run look at my bitches
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 23, 2016 - 06:37pm PT
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Don't think Dylan should have been awarded the Nobel, but you do have to give it up to him for that song "Hallelujah." Such a great song definitely award worthy.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Oct 23, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
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Got to love Pete Seeger.
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 23, 2016 - 07:03pm PT
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...And the times
they are
a
Changgginnnnnn"
The the the ...that's all folks.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Oct 23, 2016 - 08:23pm PT
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Hallelujah was Leonard Cohen ( and another by Martin Sexton)
With Dylan it was always about the songwriting. It's a fantastic body of work.
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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Oct 24, 2016 - 09:15am PT
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Hallelujah was Leonard Cohen ( and another by Martin Sexton)
Guess you got to be a lit. elite to detect bitter irony, dry sarcasm and mockery... oh well.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Oct 24, 2016 - 09:33am PT
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Touché. Well done. I laughed inside but decided to play the straight man.
I missed some stuff. I skipped a few grades, most of high school and college.
In that light, I also didn't care for Bob Dylan, mostly out of ignorance. His voice is godawful though. I could dig that he wrote good songs but I couldn't really get into it, man.
I went to the Day on the Green with the Dead and we all thought it sucked pretty bad. For years I said that he was wasted but, on reviewing the video, they're just folk singers. The shittier sounding the better. Now that I'm a man of constant sorrow, I can get down with it.
This blew across my path today. F*#kin Dylan!
Lyrics
Darkness at the break of noon
Shadows even the silver spoon
The handmade blade, the child's balloon
Eclipses both the sun and moon
To understand you know too soon
There is no sense in trying.
Pointed threats, they bluff with scorn
Suicide remarks are torn
From the fools gold mouthpiece
The hollow horn plays wasted words
Proved to warn
That he not busy being born
Is busy dying.
Temptation's page flies out the door
You follow, find yourself at war
Watch waterfalls of pity roar
You feel to moan but unlike before
You discover
That you'd just be
One more person crying.
So don't fear if you hear
A foreign sound to you ear
It's alright, Ma, I'm only sighing.
As some warn victory, some downfall
Private reasons great or small
Can be seen in the eyes of those that call
To make all that should be killed to crawl
While others say don't hate nothing at all
Except hatred.
Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their marks
Made everything from toy guns that sparks
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It's easy to see without looking too far
That not much
Is really sacred.
While preachers preach of evil fates
Teachers teach that knowledge waits
Can lead to hundred-dollar plates
Goodness hides behind its gates
But even the President of the United States
Sometimes must have
To stand naked.
An' though the rules of the road have been lodged
It's only people's games that you got to dodge
And it's alright, Ma, I can make it.
Advertising signs that con you
Into thinking you're the one
That can do what's never been done
That can win what's never been won
Meantime life outside goes on
All around you.
You loose yourself, you reappear
You suddenly find you got nothing to fear
Alone you stand without nobody near
When a trembling distant voice, unclear
Startles your sleeping ears to hear
That somebody thinks
They really found you.
A question in your nerves is lit
Yet you know there is no answer fit to satisfy
Insure you not to quit
To keep it in your mind and not forget
That it is not he or she or them or it
That you belong to.
Although the masters make the rules
For the wise men and the fools
I got nothing, Ma, to live up to.
For them that must obey authority
That they do not respect in any degree
Who despite their jobs, their destinies
Speak jealously of them that are free
Cultivate their flowers to be
Nothing more than something
They invest in.
While some on principles baptized
To strict party platforms ties
Social clubs in drag disguise
Outsiders they can freely criticize
Tell nothing except who to idolize
And then say God Bless him.
While one who sings with his tongue on fire
Gargles in the rat race choir
Bent out of shape from society's pliers
Cares not to come up any higher
But rather get you down in the hole
That he's in.
But I mean no harm nor put fault
On anyone that lives in a vault
But it's alright, Ma, if I can't please him.
Old lady judges, watch people in pairs
Limited in sex, they dare
To push fake morals, insult and stare
While money doesn't talk, it swears
Obscenity, who really cares
Propaganda, all is phony.
While them that defend what they cannot see
With a killer's pride, security
It blows the minds most bitterly
For them that think death's honesty
Won't fall upon them naturally
Life sometimes
Must get lonely.
My eyes collide head-on with stuffed graveyards
False gods, I scuff
At pettiness which plays so rough
Walk upside-down inside handcuffs
Kick my legs to crash it off
Say okay, I have had enough
What else can you show me ?
And if my thought-dreams could been seen
They'd probably put my head in a guillotine
But it's alright, Ma, it's life, and life only.
Written by Bob Dylan • Copyright © Bob Dylan Music Co.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 24, 2016 - 09:50am PT
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...he not busy being born
Is busy dying.
At the same time, he who has been born is busily living.
Poetry gets one to think outside that box
That's filled with earnest talks
By men who control bonds and stocks
And own one barrel and locks
And who want us slaves to quarry blocks
To fashion their marbled mausoleums.
Dylan's rapping here,
But it's okay,
It's plain as day.
What else can one say
Except plenty.
The committee could have given Dylan consideration in physics for his work on the motion of rolling stones, which would have raised some eyebrows, caused a furor, started WWIII, or gotten them banned from the ST.
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