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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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The framers intention was to allow the People to have Guns to protect from an unjust Government. Regretfully the framers were unable to forsee people not having enough "sack" to improve matters when things were dispicable, ( 43rd amendment, Yee with little sack shall take whatever the Government shoves down your throat,.. AKA.. the bush laws)
When the gun fatalities near the automobile fatalities in this country and they outlaw "Cars" then maybe I'll consider giving up my right to bear arms....Guns don't kill people, people do. An over populated society has a much larger chance of killing one another than Canada or the great Down under Canadian twin.
Since Assualt rifles seem to be the topic of discussion, Why would it be any different to shot someone with an AR or an AK then a .40 or .45 handgun. A chunk of lead traveling at 2000 +/- feet a second will mess you up but so will a blow to the head with an A5 hammer.
Don't cure the symtoms cure the disease.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2006 - 11:06pm PT
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If the ratio of trad to sport climbers is any indication no amount of arms is going to help defend this country against a corrupt government.
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mdavid
Big Wall climber
CA, CO, TX
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I don't want big brother removing my right to resist.
You folks have heard of the warsaw rebellion right?
They wouldn't have lasted a second without any arms, right onto the trains. Maybe it just delayed the inevitable.
It's cool that some of you don't want guns around however you know that if you end up being vicitmized in your house that you are accepting that risk and that the police have no legal requirement to save you from anything, don't you?
Sad situations all over the world that seem to be worsened by citizens not having arms. Also very sad situations that occur from access to firearms.
I think it's much worse to have no ability to resist the government as a trade for hopefully stopping these massacres. Couldn't he have carried this off with a large axe, machete or for that matter a brand new omega hammer? I don't think we'll ever find a cure for the violent crazies.
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Look at the havoc the insurgents are giving the best equipped army the world has ever seen.... A motivated individual and his firearm are a very effective tool. The local neighborhoods with there Big TV's are faughter for the government. But there are still some outposts of hope....
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johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
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Could a the people stage a resistance to the US Gov.? Only if we took some lessons from Irag's insurgence. I don't realy see us winning there. lol
The person standing in front of the tank in Tieanaman(sp)Square didn't expect to win against a tank, yet he was willing to give up his life for his principles.
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mark miller
Social climber
Reno
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Few people in this country would give up there 401 k's and easy living for anything more civic disobedient then a parking ticket( closer parking at nordstroms). If people really knew what the individuals who worked on the declaration of independence were willing to give up against the most powerful army of their times.. It makes me shudder...We pale by comparison! Hell we couldn't even walk in our grandparents shoes let alone the revolutionaries of the 1700's .
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 3, 2006 - 11:41pm PT
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The Iraqi insurgency is not being driven by small arms but rather cell phones and military ordinance we failed to secure despite knowing it's location. No such situation would exist in this country and the movement of fertilizer in any quantities from rural to urban areas would be problematic. The government has unfortunately just learned the IED lesson such that it would be difficult to duplicate here.
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Michael
Trad climber
Boulder
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Tgreen,
Do you really use a 9mm for home defense? No stopping power..I'm sticking by my Mossberg 590 Mariner...12ga 8+1...if I need to use one in my house, I don't want to miss and I don't want whatever is threatening me to get up after I hit it...being a believer in self preservation, and such...
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Oooooooh!
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WBraun
climber
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mark miller "Don't cure the symtoms cure the disease."
Yes, you have good brain.
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s. o.
Trad climber
academia
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Glad we finally got it all figured out.
ROTFLMAO
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sketchy
Trad climber
Vagrant
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I think everyone should own a minimum of 2 guns. One pistol for defense, and one assault rifle to keep the politicians nervous. Switzerland has some good ideas.
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TGreene
Trad climber
Jonesboro, Arkansas
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{{ Tgreen,
Do you really use a 9mm for home defense? No stopping power..I'm sticking by my Mossberg 590 Mariner...12ga 8+1...if I need to use one in my house, I don't want to miss and I don't want whatever is threatening me to get up after I hit it...being a believer in self preservation, and such... }}
Ummm, you just might want to take a closer look at that Rugchester 9mm Defender that I posted up... ;-)
IT'S PHOTOCHOPPED ALL TO HELL!!!123
It's a Ruger Mk-II .22 with a 9mm Sten mag superimposed onto a 12ga Winchester Defender, w/ yet another 9mm Sten mag stuffed into the base.
That's also an IOR Tac scope mounted on top, which if you're looking through it when you squeeze the trigger on a pistol grip 12ga, it would have to be removed from the base of your skull by the mortician. Also, the M3 Taclight is very much in the wrong position, as it belongs on a pistol rail.
Damn, I was sure the RUGer-winCHESTER part was a dead giveaway!
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Mick K
climber
Northern Sierra
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AMENDMENT II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of the free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Loom
climber
The Whiteboard Jungle
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Everyone or no one should have them . . .
an armed bear that is.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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i own a couple guns.
i totally disagree with those who want to place further restrictions upon my rights.
healyje, based upon your other political views, i would have thought that you would understand people's rights.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 4, 2006 - 01:58pm PT
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"AMENDMENT II - A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of the free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The controls I and others seek to impose on the U.S. weapons supply chain would definitely fall under the definition of "well regulated". In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the current lack of controls violate the spirit if not the letter of the Second Amendment
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