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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 26, 2014 - 07:06pm PT
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so tradmanclimbs
What's your real name? I don't believe I've ever seen it.
Should women be expected to use their real names? Consider the prevalent activity of internet stalking before you answer.
Fred Glover
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Mar 26, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
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HT. if you look at my profile I have my real name listed. I use my real name on MP and if you ever look at the actual climbing threads on this site as in What Did You Climb Today I have my watermark on all my photos which is my photo buisness www.nkgphoto.com I have been internet stalked once and it was BINTD on NEICE when I just had the avatar Tradman. I was staked by annother poster hideing behind an avatar. that Never would have happened if that poster did not have an avatar to hide behind.
Nick Goldsmith.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Mar 26, 2014 - 07:50pm PT
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Yeah Nature good point. I have made some great friends through Supertopo and its really neat to see this place come alive through real personalities in the real world.
I guess I meant that so many of these guys treat this place like it is a "make believe land." And they behave in a way that is often not how they would interact in the "real" world. Like if these two dudes met at the crag, with real first and last names, introduced by common buddies, they might actually get along somewhat. They might reign in their animosity and act a bit more civil. Maybe not. Who knows. But it sure is silly and in my opinion really unhealthy to waste time mental capacity and stomach acid on unhealthy conversations with absolute strangers.
I always treat this place like it's a real conversation. I try to be me. What you see is pretty much Scott here. In fact, if I wasn't so "well known" around here by Micronut from my TR's I'd like having my real name as a handle. That forces people to keep it real.
I just think it would be really good for these guys to meet in real life, share a beer or a burger and go bouldering.
POINT: If you go to sleep at night thinking of how you're gonna reply to a Supertopo remark, you need a break from the internet.
POINT2: If you wake up in the morning and the first thing you think about for that day is how you're gonna reply to a Supertopo remark. You need a break from the internet.
This place ain't the real world. But it would help a lot of people if they treated it as much.
See you fellas out there,
Scott
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2014 - 07:51pm PT
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tradman, I'd be curious to hear more of your views on real names vs. avatars- a partial discussion about this was started in the 'physical threats' thread (I posted some of my views on the next-to-most current page).
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Mar 26, 2014 - 07:57pm PT
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I always treat this place like it's a real conversation. I try to be me. What you see is pretty much Scott here. ditto
I'd love to climb with apogee (at least I'd give it a go) and have a beer or 3 with Ron.
Ron and I would probably end up arguing all night but so what?
Nick
pleased to meet you. I've enjoyed your pics and plenty of your comments. (speaking of ball cupping)
Fred
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Mar 26, 2014 - 07:58pm PT
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Thanks for the apology. I like most of your posts and enjoy them. Short squabbles are fun. Battles that roll from thread to thread; not fun.
How about a Trip Report once in awhile? Those are the real contributions to climbing. I'm sure you have something.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 26, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
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I don't click with Ron very well and can get stuck wrestling in mud. It's a flaw of mine, to be so damn assertive. I think you rock dude. See ya in idy 4/15-6/15 :)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 26, 2014 - 08:06pm PT
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It takes a man to admit he was wrong or feels bad about something he said or did, and apologizes for it. Nice job, Ap!
That said, being a somewhat 'negative' person, I think there are 2 problems;
1. People are a bit to sensitive. Some of us enjoy (dopamine?) strong discourse on issues that some of you may not like. Don't watch the sh#t-show!
2. A line gets crossed when things get too personal. I don't mean calling someone a 'd#@&%e', and 'as#@&%e', or a 'f*#ktard'. I'm talking about personal attacks meant to inflict real harm on somebody, be it emotional or physical. Also bringing ones spouses or kids into things is out-of-bounds.
I love the discussions we have here. I love even more when I can talk to people with opinions that differ than my own. That is when things usually get hot, but where the discussion forces 2 (or more) sides of a discussion to bring to the surface ideas from both sides, and maybe where fence-sitters can gather ideas/data they may not have had.
Honest discourse is healthy in a free society.
I have met many people I disagree with from here, and we are usually good friends.
I actually had a chance to have lunch with a ST legend last weekend. A guy on my side of most arguments. He had caught a lot of personal sh#t that dissuaded him from continuing to post here.
His first name started with a 'J', and ST lost a good guy because of the personal slander. And yeah, he's even a better dude in person.
EDIT: Kunlan Shun (SP?) was also at the lunch. He and I tend to disagree on many things I think, but we had a great lunch with 'J' and others. You can have heated exchanges in discourse and also be civil with the same people.
There's a time for discourse, and a time for climbing and just hanging out.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Mar 26, 2014 - 08:16pm PT
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Micro nut nailed it. If you use your real name you feel more responsible for what you say. You don't have a free license to be an ahole.
The one time that I was stalked by a troll useing a take on my avatar was horrible. That never would have happened if that user was not able to hide behind a false identity.
One of the more pathetic things I have ever witnessed on these boards was when Mad Bolter created da Dweeb to argue his side and tell the world how great he is in the WOS thread. I sent a ton of positive energy mad bolters way and stated many times how bullying was wrong and that crew that bashed him were acting like bullys. when I finally realized that this guy had been running the da dweeb troll the whole time to try and make himself look good I felt like a complete fool for sticking up for him.
Be Real. Be yourself. Say what you mean and mean what you say.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 26, 2014 - 08:21pm PT
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Well, tradman, looks like you prefer to discuss the avatar vs. real name thing right here. I really hoped to keep this thread on track with the OP sentiment, but that's cool.
I get your drift, but it's worth noting that my personal information from outside ST was obtained & posted vindictively by someone who uses their real name.
I don't personally care much if someone uses their real name or an avatar...what matters to me is what they have to say, and how they say it.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 26, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
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I agree with Apogee. Having politically heated discussion with yer real name can lead to personal retaliation on a private level.
Most of the people I trust here, that I disagree with, already know who I really am.
But let's digress.....
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 26, 2014 - 08:31pm PT
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Revealing an anonymous Internet personalities information is called being 'dox'd' and is considered an attack (hackers, 4chan profiles and Anonymous have used this tactic and been dox'd as well). Definitely a shitty move. SOPA, PIPA, the beauty of the internet is largely due to anonymity. In a dystopia state sure, everyone would be held to their words on the internet, but I prefer the Wild West. Some people may not be able to speak their mind because as#@&%es would use that against them. If I post about a mushroom trip an employer could search that and use it as a reason not to hire me or an enemy can use that against me. I choose to use my name but it's a heavily edited version of myself. If I was anon maybe less here would like me. Lol.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 26, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
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Exactly, Gdavis. My twitter handle is my full name, and while it is heavily right-wing conservative politics, I keep the personal stuff limited. The stuff that employers may frown on. I even keep the cursing minimal because kids and stuff follow me also.
Posting with a 'blurred' avatar allows one to speak his mind without fear of persecution by employers or others who can Google yer name.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Mar 26, 2014 - 08:42pm PT
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well G davis I respect you a hell of a lot more than I respect apogee.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 26, 2014 - 08:44pm PT
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Tradman is onto something....but it goes further.
People here usually say what they mean, although they often don't think it through...myself included.They have their opinions, often closely held and not likely to change. Others have completely divirgent views. The simple fact is that most on this forum are of an age where their belief systems are deeply ingrained.
You are NOT going to change a persons political views.
You are NOT going to change a persons religious views.
yet
Religious and political threads go on and on and on.....ad nauseam, precisely because people with wildly divirgent, unchangeable views try to change the equally close held views of others on the oppposite side of the spectrum.
but
Are they really trying to change anothers opinion with their well reasoned arguments?
I think not....they know that isn't going to happen but they have a forum where they can pontificate until the cows come home and, damn, their going to do it.
Reasoned discourse (I'll be generous) moves on to vitriol which incites a like response from the other and threats and bullying follow as surely as water flows downhill.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Mar 26, 2014 - 08:46pm PT
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Aw thanks Trad. Driving home from climbing, lead my first .11D. Too bad it was at New Jack or it would count.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Mar 26, 2014 - 08:47pm PT
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Gdavis i just googled G davis and got zero refrence to the taco. you are safe. Pretty sure as long as you abrivate your name the way you did you have covered both bases. you are honest with us and semi protected from your employers. it has been my experience that folks usually do not do really shitty things to you like telling your employer that you did shrooms at a dead show in 1994 unless you act like a total dick to them.
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Fish Finder
Social climber
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Mar 26, 2014 - 08:55pm PT
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Dean
how many Supertopians have you sent the law after?
2 that I can think of now that you say it
Anymore?
I never thought of using law enforcement to help me from all those crazy people out there that I happened to encounter on a simple internet forum
Such a complicated life you lead
Edit: just sayin
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Mar 26, 2014 - 08:57pm PT
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Annother thing you can do is use an avitar but let folks know who you are. example cragman who I sometimes dissagree with but has made no attempt to hide his identity. A casual google searh of deans name will not turn up posts by cragman. I just tried that with myself and came up with my photo buisness but nothing about the taco yet anyone who clicks on what did you climb today can see who I really am.
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