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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
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http://abc.utah.gov/laws/law_residents.html
BC skiing in Utah is awesome, on sticks or boards. Just watch out for avalanches, seriously.
Living in SLC isn't too bad. Thanks to the UnivOfUtah (UofU) the social climate in Salt Lake is decent for non-Mormons. If you want yer whisky at the bar, you're out of luck. Only in licensed restaurants, clubs, etc. If you want it at a private party you'll have no lack of companions.
The winter inversion layer smog is truly wretched. The UofU is on a high bench where the smog is thinner. Be sure you live somewhere largely above the gaseous crud. The mountain areas are WAY above the morass.
Lots of good mountaineering and climbing on a scale much larger than anything in the UK but lesser scale than the Alps, Colorado Rockies, Tetons, Cascades or Sierra.
The Tetons are only about 4 hours drive. Some of the US' great alpinists have lived/live in SLC. About the same drive to the great desert climbs.
Again thanks to the UofU, SLC is the most cosmopolitan city between Denver and San Francisco.
The Bay area is a great place to live, big in biotech but several hours from mountains. Sierra skiing is seldom as good as "average" Utah skiing.
Disclaimer: I grew up in Salt Lake, learned to ski and spent time in the mountains there. I still wouldn't move back, but that's just me.
EDIT: Oh yes,
there's also Utah State University in Logan. Small town, surrounded by mountains with great snow and powder. Only about 2 1/2 hours from the Tetons.
I think they're doing a lot in biotech now.
Don't even consider Provo/Brigham Young University for biotech unless you like prior censorship.
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Feb 10, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
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Although a teeny bit harsh on BYU, High Traverse' post is mostly accurate.
BYU has a nice variety of climbing within a short walk of the dorms. U.S. News and World Report ranks BYU higher than the U acedemically but I don't think that applies to graduate studies and research...where the U really sparkles.
BYU student body is 98% mormon...the U 51%.
For members of the "where will I be safe from Mormons Club"...Utah State may not be the best option as the campus runs about 90% mormon. But USU is an excellent university with a laid back ambience in a friendly city.
Weber State in Ogden, where my dad coached a few years, has "neighborhood climbing" but a somewhat lower academic rating than the other three university.
SLC proper is 37% mormon...the mormon population being mostly in the outer portions of the metro area. Counties in northern Utah average 80 to 90% mormon ... Moab is 27% mormon.
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east side underground
Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Feb 10, 2012 - 07:57pm PT
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Hilton creek , Ca . Oh yea we're not a city. Sorry. Carry on.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 08:48pm PT
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Jennie
I'll admit to being prejudiced about BYU as it is owned, and run by the Mormon church.
I'm especially concerned about biological science pursuits.
Their adamant denial of Evolution is well known.
And they have every right to that belief.
Great business school though. Just ask Mitt.
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bell
Trad climber
Scotland
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
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Jennie, i have nothing against mormons and im sorry if it sounded like i do! my earlier post was merely poking fun at the scots fondness of alcohol and fighting - if you have ever been to glasgow you'll know what i mean!
if the skiing and climbing is good ill be happy! but if what Hightraverse says is true i think id be best sticking with UoU.
im heading utah on the 24th feb to check out some of its legendry powder, lets hope another storm comes through sometime soon!
cheers
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Feb 10, 2012 - 09:17pm PT
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utah on the 24th feb to check out some of its legendry powder Have a GREAT trip.
As resorts go, Alta is my preference. But I'm not a boarder so my opinion doesn't count.
Some great back country skiing on the ridges either side of Little Cottonwood (Alta) canyon.
If you go off piste really watch the avalanche hazard and travel accordingly.
http://utahavalanchecenter.org/
EDIT: oh yeah, as far as I know, Alta still doesn't allow boards. Snowbird is great too.
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bell
Trad climber
Scotland
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 10, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
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i think alta is one of the only resorts in the world that doesnt allow boarders....... perhaps why its many a skiers favoutite ;-p
if the snow is good we will just stay on the resorts, quite looking forward to cruising lifts and ripping lots of good terrain without the usual effort. if its not so good we will maybe head out..... in which case ill be super careful as always!
thanks for all your advice
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Feb 10, 2012 - 10:50pm PT
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Bell,
I wasn't offended...just poking a little fun at the Irish and Scots drinking and fighting and maybe a bit at bluenose Mormons. Best wishes on your trip and eventual education choices.
Their adamant denial of Evolution is well known
I must respectfully disagree High Traverse.
Actually, this adamant denial of Evolution is well hyped by opponents of the LDS. The church issued a statement of neutrality regarding evolution in the 1930's after some members of the Council of the Twelve disputed pronoucements of "creationism" as church doctrine. The statement of neutrality has bneen reiterated several times since.
It's true many Mormons do not subscribe to natural selection or the principle that mankind evolved from ancient primates. But many Mormons do believe in this conception of creation.
Biological evolution is taught in LDS universities ...without it, accreditation would suffer. I attended an LDS church school for three semesters of my undergraduate years and evolution was definitely taught there. I'm told all members of BYU biology faculty are mormon and all subscribe to modern conceptions of evolutionary process.
The church's statement declares that such matters of discussion are the domain of scientific inquiry and not theological doctinaires.
Before I'm jeered for hijacking a thread...I better desist. You are correct in context that many individual Mormons adamantly reject evolution. The church organization itself... continues its position of neutrality.
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aspendougy
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Feb 10, 2012 - 11:58pm PT
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How about the new U.C. Campus in Merced? The whole Central Valley is depressed right now though. But if you could find a biology research niche, wouldn't be too bad.
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dr. juicer kaniglio
Trad climber
san diego, ca
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Feb 11, 2012 - 01:28am PT
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I dont recommend living in the city... But if you do Salt Lake would be the one. Never climbed when I lived there but know theres tons... Smashed innumerable backcountry lines however... Utah gets the best and most consistent snow with the easiest and quickest bus access hands down... On a side note I really think SLC itself completely sucks, I lived there for 7 years.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Feb 11, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
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Get busy in the Beehive State...
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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Feb 11, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
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What about Bozeman? I've never been there, but it might fit.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Feb 11, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
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Sixty posts and Reno still seems like the best bet.
The winter smog in SLC is really bad and in Reno, Tahoe is super close.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Feb 11, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
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Perhaps you've discounted Boulder. In case not, I live in Boulder and work in Denver at the University of Colorado. Great public transportation makes doing this very easy (to my campus, it's a 25 minute bus ride). It takes a bit longer to get to the medical school campus. It seems they are thriving (but I could be wrong).
Have academic friends who are now bailing on Nevada universities. One in six years has had no raise, and one pay cut. Times are tough in many places, but better can be had. YMMV
Think it does boil down to ascertaining which is your priority: snow or rock.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Feb 11, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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Just to clarify the above, which may be confusing to non-Coloradans, the flagship University of Colorado is in fact in Boulder. There are other parts in other cities (Denver, Aurora, C. Springs).
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Apr 18, 2012 - 07:38pm PT
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so did the Scottish dude Get His?
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Alpine Raven
climber
Eugene, Oregon
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Apr 18, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
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Try Eugene, Oregon. University of Oregon has a great molecular biology facility, if that's your main focus. 3hrs to climbing; 3hrs to skiing.
David
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mountain dog
Trad climber
over the hills and far away
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Apr 18, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
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Bob mentioned Bozeman. Heard good things too. Missoula??? What about Bend OR.???
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doc bs
Social climber
Northwest
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Apr 18, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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You want skiing (boarding)? we got it all year round!
The only bad thing is skiing gets in the way of climbing season and climbing gets in the way of skiing season.
Seattle sure is a tough place to live:)
http://www.turns-all-year.com/index.html
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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Apr 18, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
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Bell,
Lot's of good beta here for your consideration, I have no idea who Moen is in Bishop but you should read his post again, he speaks the truth. That said I'd add to his comments relative to professional opportunities and location. The University of CA @ Davis and it's affiliate the UCD med center is world class in its research particularly as it relates to emerging technologies around regenerative medicine, to name just one. Additionally Davis was successful in landing the Bejing genome project after a world wide search given the Universities focus in all things living; plants, animals and humans. This is no small event and represents opportunity for research and business start ups.
Why is this important to a scientist, climber and skier/boarder? Because you're some 2 hours closer to the Sierra than the bay area from your work place. Where you live is yet another option, Davis is a great town as are parts of Sacramento such as mid-town. I'm not a scientist but a business owner who does work in that environment so our location relative to healthcare and higher education is important for service to our clients.
I chose to live on the western slope of the Sierra given my mountain sport afflictions and need to be close to the business action. I'm also living at about 3,000 ft. which is cooler than the valley and above it's fog all winter. I'm minutes to quality climbing year round and have easy access to some of the greatest backcountry skiing. A whole lot of folks have a very negative impression of the western slope and for some good reasons. El Dorado County has been called the North Korea with good apples and wine given its isolationist and conservative nature, all of which is changing rapidly given a number of factors, not the least of which the world is flat.
Recently a German company established their headquarters in Auburn along the Hwy 80 corridor after an exhaustive search for a US base. They manufacture equipment related to stem cells. They chose The western slope over the bay area because of access to the mountains given their staff's desire. Our office in Placerville Along the 50 corridor (we have offices in Sacramento and Salt Lake City) is sharing the building with a stem cell lab and research facility, why did they pick Placerville? Because their CEO could have her horse ranch just 20 minutes from the lab and 40 minutes down to the med center.
Anyway you should include this region in your search, I love it here and can't imagine living anywhere else. The neighbor right down the road who flew for American Airlines internationally for years told me he could live anywhere in the world. He had a place in Germany up in the mountains and a place here in Apple Hill overlooking the American River Canyon 2500 ft below his property. He retired here on the western slope.
Best of Luck, an exciting time for you to contemplate.
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