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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Dec 14, 2011 - 12:27am PT
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I've driven 30 KM's with my hand down a girlfriend's blouse on a nice sunny day.
I'll bet she didn't fard the whole time either.
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JOEY.F
Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
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Dec 14, 2011 - 12:28am PT
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Roll one while steering with my knee as far as I know is still legal however I would think that talking on the cell would be considered safer of the two by the man.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 14, 2011 - 12:38am PT
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Donald! I'm with you for once!
Re: Why did you say this then? Its already legislated by state. Case closed. You guys are creating a meaningless storm around what a bunch of fed bureaucrats with nothing better to do than to insert themselves into a news cycle, for God knows what reason ,although I can guess at a few.
So???-------are you farding or farting on your post???
Seriously!
Everytime I drive, and I drive a lot as a sales-rep: I see people texting while driving, who are in their own "texting" universe.
If you do not think texting while driving is a big "people-killing" problem: you are likely a river-side Egyptian!
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Dec 14, 2011 - 12:39am PT
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AS an experiment this NTSB cell phone ban should be implemented
inside the boundaries of Washington DC first for a few years.
Lets see how they like it!
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Dec 14, 2011 - 12:43am PT
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Christos!
If you do not think texting while driving is a big "people-killing" problem: you are likely a river-side Egyptian!
I never thought Corniss Chopper was Egyptian !
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Dec 14, 2011 - 12:45am PT
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A ban would save lives.
At the rate things are going, someone you know will be killed by a distracted driver.
Too bad we have to create laws to enforce common sense.
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David Knopp
Trad climber
CA
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Dec 14, 2011 - 12:45am PT
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DMT i agree with you that Cali leads the way (as usual) in legislating against driving while using cell phones-however, i wish they would lead the way in enforcement as well. I see way too many stupid people doing stupid things while using their phones in cars. In fact, just today, some dipshit nearly clipped me on my bike cause he was looking at his phone....
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Dec 14, 2011 - 01:00am PT
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cell phone legislation as least as effective as littering legislation and the war on drugs...
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Dec 14, 2011 - 01:30am PT
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cell phone legislation as least as effective as littering legislation and the war on drugs...
maybe at this point in time, but with education it could become like drinking and driving, and seatbelt use. In some parts of Europe drivers never drink and get behind the wheel, and in N America now most people buckle up.
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2011 - 01:37am PT
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"Why did you say this then? Its already legislated by state. Case closed. You guys are creating a meaningless storm around what a bunch of fed bureaucrats with nothing better to do than to insert themselves into a news cycle, for God knows what reason ,although I can guess at a few."
So, DT, where do you land on this?
Do you think cell phone use creates a dangerous distraction to driving? What type(s) of use?
Sounds like you think the current State regulation is sufficient...or perhaps excessive & unnecessary...?
Why do you think the NTSB has inserted itself into this news cycle? (You said you could guess at a few...)
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2011 - 01:48am PT
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"Moan about abrogation of rights all you want modern Tackheads but was your convenience worth someone else's life ? "
See, that's the thing...I betcha almost every Libertarian/Repug Tackhead who has responded thusfar with cynical Nanny-state rants agrees with everyone else that certain uses of cellphones (esp. texting/surfing/email/sexting) is a gud way to die.
They argue solely from the point legislation created to limit their choice to do what they want...anytime they want...for whatever reason...is unconstitutional and against Natural Law.
Until some West LA BMW texting arsehole runs over their kid. Then they either get reeeealll quiet, or they go after the bastard with both barrels.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Dec 14, 2011 - 06:14am PT
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5 times more dangerous that drunk driveing. no idea how to really enforece it and wouldn't want to not be able to use mine but if I get killed driveing it will most likly be by useing my cell phone or some other cell phone user.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Dec 14, 2011 - 06:26am PT
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If driving and texting involved only yourself, then have at it with abandon.
But that's not the case, is it?
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nutjob
Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
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Dec 14, 2011 - 03:04pm PT
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I'm not sure how I lean on this one.
There are clearly safety issues involved that need to be addressed, but there are such big benefits of having communication while driving that it's tough to weigh.
Stopping mobile communications would push back the evolution of society and the freedom that people enjoy to live a life of their choosing. You can be a curmudgeon and was poetic about the good ol' days of living and working in the same small town with horse-drawn carriage and home for lunch with the family every afternoon. There are elements of that that seem appealing. But the truth is people's ability to find a compatible fit for a life partner, for hobbies, for work, for education, etc. would all be deeply affected to the detriment of our collective happiness.
IDEA!
What about a PAN (personal area network) technology where a short-range transmitter in the steering wheel disabled all keypresses on the device? All vehicle and phone manufacturers could be legislated to implement the safety feature. Then you would need to use the hands-free controls on the car to answer the phone or dial a number (but not be physically able to do texting, etc.). But if you sat in the passenger seat, the physical range of the signal would not reach the phone and other people in the car can still use SMS etc.
But then you'd have idiots driving while holding the phone way over by the window of the passenger seat while trying to type a text message at the same time... just can't win when humans want to do something.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Dec 14, 2011 - 03:44pm PT
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Is there a Federal law regarding drunk driving (outside of Nat Parks?)
But seriously, the way I read it the Federal Agency is recommending that the states adopt the rules. It is not legislation yet, right? Not even a Fed regulation.
Of course what happens is, as with speed limits, the Fed can coerce the States to comply by holding back highway funding.
My take? If you think this sort of thing is about your safety guess again. It is about power.
This is a test of the Federal Regulatory System.
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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Dec 14, 2011 - 03:56pm PT
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Oh government please take care of me, I don't know when it's safe for me to talk? Oh these decisions!!!
Unlike a helmet or seatbelt law, this one protects you from other idiots. It's not to protect you against yourself.
Bright people around here, huh?
Dave
P.S. Driving while talking on a hand-held phone can be as bad as driving when drunk. No one thinks that drunk driving laws are bad, do they?
Driving while texting is as bad as driving with your eyes closed. People who drive and text should be taken out and shot. I don't want anyone in my family getting killed by one of those morons.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 14, 2011 - 03:59pm PT
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About time. I see too many people make careless moves on the road, all the while talking on the phone.
What ever did we do before mobile phones?
If I need to make or take a call and there are other cars around I pull over.
If you live in an area where it's unsafe to pull over or if your time management is so poor that you can't spare two minutes on the shoulder, well, that's one strike against you.
Phones take up more and more of our time and it's a detriment.
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2011 - 04:03pm PT
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"It is not legislation yet, right? Not even a Fed regulation."
No, it's not- as stated multiple times already, and in the original link, this is only NTSB's recommendation. Legislation is still a State's prerogative.
"If you think this sort of thing is about your safety guess again. It is about power."
A bunch of posts thusfar have stated similar suspicions, but then remain vague as to whether they think any kind of legislation is appropriate for cellphone/vehicle use, or whether it should be left entirely up to personal responsibility.
Your take?
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bergbryce
Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
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Dec 14, 2011 - 04:09pm PT
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This is a recommendation only and since it's coming from a federal agency all the whackos are getting all bent out of shape. Relax.
I recently switched back to a flip phone. It's simple to talk on it while driving although I don't do it longer than to tell the person I will call them back later. Flip to answer, flip to hang up and get this.... it FITS well against your head!!?? Whereas holding that brick of a phone iphone (had one 2+ years) against your head that you have to push or slide select buttons to answer or hang up a call? Not quite.
Even the usage of hands-free devices doesn't change the fact that the driver isn't concentrating on driving, but on multiple tasks at once which is where the danger lies. I personally like the California laws. There are 32 million people in the state and the freeways in CA are large and busy and you need to be paying attention. I feel bad for people who say they need this in order to continue conducting business as usual.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 14, 2011 - 04:15pm PT
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I'm with you,Bergbryce. My iPhone makes a sweet iPod/paperweight these days. I regressed in technology and like it.
Sent from my iPad.
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