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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Topic Author's Reply - Jul 24, 2011 - 09:47pm PT
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Mono,
Just watch the video I originally linked to. It's all there. They go into detail on the metal detecting.
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By the way, the history of science is full of very important scientific discoveries that were made by individuals without scientific degrees. Education is important, but really what is more important . . .
The scientific method and process is what is important. Seeing what others can't see. Making observations, asking questions, and making hypotheses that others can't make or don't make.
The physical evidence either invalidates it or supports it. Sure you are going to run down some major rabbit holes, but then maybe, just maybe you find a treasure of new knowledge.
Isaac Newton was very good at using the scientific method backwards and very uniquely. Perhaps that is one of the reasons why he was so successful so often and he was also very well read and unbelievably curious about everything. ADHD.
John Muir saw the glaciers and what they could do from a very rich field experience over many years in the Sierras, and saw what Joshua Whitney couldn't. John Muir wasn't degreed but he was very well read. He left college before finishing.
The history of science is full of examples like this.
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monolith
climber
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Jul 24, 2011 - 09:55pm PT
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Not a chance, silly boy!
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Jul 24, 2011 - 10:23pm PT
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BWWAAAHAHAHA!
Klimmer, you talk about the scientific method, yet you obviously don't know what it's really all about.
Do you know what "replication" means??
If no other scientist can replicate the ground penetrating results that Wyatt made, even though he was never trained in geophysics.....what does that tell you?
Also, such studies get published in scientific journals for peer review.....yet, that didn't happen either!
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Clovis, CA
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Jul 24, 2011 - 10:24pm PT
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By the way, the history of science is full of very important scientific discoveries that were made by individuals without scientific degrees
Name them
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Jul 24, 2011 - 10:33pm PT
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You guys MIGHT have it ALL wrong. What if it's "Noah's Sark"?
Um, where's the shirt department, please?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Jul 24, 2011 - 11:08pm PT
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The Mesopotamians (Babylonians?) had a flood story long before your Bible did.
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Jul 24, 2011 - 11:13pm PT
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Sumerians. ~6000 B.C. Big flood in a small country. Got kinda exaggerated after a few dozen generations passed the story along. Then the Jehovah cult picked it up and said hey now, we can use this one.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jul 25, 2011 - 02:51am PT
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radiocarbon dating has a roughly 60,000 year range...
there are different radioisotopes that may be used to date some things farther back in time...
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Jul 25, 2011 - 09:33am PT
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i'd say the deniers are getting hung up on the name "noah's ark", which suggests a literal acceptance of the biblical flood story; and, as we all know, if it's jewish or christian, it's eeeeeeevvvvuuuuuuuuuullll...as the immediate references to the sumerian story of gilgamesh illustrates; of course, these respondents clearly have no understanding of the sumerian myth; if they did, they would realize the images presented are consistent with the biblical description; whereas, the sumerian story describes a cubical structure that looks nothing like a boat
and there's no way of knowing which story came first; the earliest WRITTEN story is sumerian, but even that arose from a long oral tradition
and then there's the greek story of deucalion
reasonable conclusions? since these three civilizations arose in the same geographical region, i think we can conclude that there was a massive flood that, at the time, would have appeared to the people as a worldwide disaster because it clearly affected what they understood to be the world--an event that would have become ingrained in the culture, unsurprisingly leading to some rather fantastical stories as people tried to come to grips with the hows and whys that make life as humans so fascinating
how that relates to the flood myths from other civilizations from other parts of the globe, well...
ok. it looks like a boat and is apparently made of wood, which suggests a connection the biblical story...aren't you at least intrigued as to how that structure got there?
also, keep in mind that archeologists are finding evidence to validate biblical stories all the time; that doesn't mean, necessarily, that everything in the bible is FACTUAL, but it should at least make everybody respect the text as a relevant historical document
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Jul 25, 2011 - 10:30am PT
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elcap-pics
Big Wall climber
Crestline CA
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Jul 25, 2011 - 12:18pm PT
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I always wondered what happened to all the water? When there is a "flood" like say the Mississippi river floods, the flood waters eventually drain to the sea and the flood passes. If there was a mountain topping flood that covered the entire surface of the earth to many thousands of feet one has to ask where did the water come from and where did it go? We have knowledge now of the amount of water on the earth, including the amount tied up in ice. If all the ice were to melt the sea level would rise some 300 to perhaps 500ft above present levels. Not high enough to reach thousands of feet into the mountains.
Also if water was atop all the mountains would not glacial ice float up and away from the mountains? There is no physical evidence of that happening or huge canyons being dug out all over the world from the "retreating" waters. Of course there would be no place for the water to receide to as it would cover the entire planet!
No physical evidence of such a flood is found on the earths surface and it surely should leave a lot of evidence.
So..... just another fish story to me.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 25, 2011 - 12:52pm PT
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i'd say the deniers are getting hung up on the name "noah's ark", which suggests a literal acceptance of the biblical flood story; and, as we all know, if it's jewish or christian, it's eeeeeeevvvvuuuuuuuuuullll...
Boo-hoo-hoo!
Such a crybaby.
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Gene
climber
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Jul 25, 2011 - 01:29pm PT
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DMT,
I found a close up of Noah's hut.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jul 25, 2011 - 03:47pm PT
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I think it's safe to assume Klimmer hasn't climbed much basalt.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jul 25, 2011 - 05:04pm PT
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Actual photo of Noah and his Ark(TM)
The legend he inspired:
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jul 25, 2011 - 05:05pm PT
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jul 25, 2011 - 05:17pm PT
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do you want to be right, or liked?
It's not possible to be both?
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