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Hootervillian
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Zak's Cabin
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an 'image' from that site. interesting, calculate the scale with the No Parking Sign. Don't see where those 'wingy' thingys made contact with that wall. What am i missing?
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Hootervillian
climber
Zak's Cabin
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and is it my imagination or is that rebar poking 'out' of the building? kinda looks like the fire comes from within also. where did all that jet fuel burn up?
i am just a n00b but it sure looks like somethin went 'up in' the building and blew out? what gives?
now that i compare, that's not the pentagon wall in the 'close-up', must be a bad link ....TiG?
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Gene
climber
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More photographic evidence. Bush with one of the guys responsible for detonating the explosives at the WTC.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Hooter - Perhaps there was an exit hole. Have you read the report? You selected one picture out of context. Do you have some interest in not understanding what happened? Or having others believe that there is some conspiracy? Are you part of some conspiracy that we should know about?
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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RJ, those photos show lots of debris. But to be sure, lots of material burned as well. You have a good question about the jet engines. You saw that parts of them remain outside. So at least we are now far enough along to realize that it was a plane. How much did the plane slow down before the engines hit? Accident investigators are pretty good at figuring that kind of stuff out. The engines are behind the cockpit. You can look up the fully loaded weight of the plane and you can look up the weight of the engines. What happens on each side depends on the angle...
It sure looks to me like there is a good chance that lots of wing chunks end up inside the building.
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Hootervillian
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Zak's Cabin
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dude- they box in the 'hole', zoom a close-up to circle relevent debris in red, and it ain't even the same hole. One photo? it's their whole premise!
question is, did you examine it thoroughly. your good at math, how'd that scale exercise come out?
and was your next question "Are you or have you ever been a member of the communist party?"
Ed.
one picture out of context- the 'hole'. your killing me.
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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The width of the hole looks about 10 feet. But why use the sign for a scale. Find out the dimensions of the height of the first floor. The height is smaller. But what hole are we looking at. How did it get there. Was it caused by impact, firefighters. I know. Let's speculate on what it is, when we do not know exactly where it is, when the picture was taken, blah, blah, blah.
Anyway you did not answer my questions. You instead just deflected. That is what guilty people usually try to do in a cover-up. Not saying you are guilty, because I do not have any evidence to support it. Just observing that there was a question asked directly that was not answered. Sound familiar?
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Hootervillian
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Zak's Cabin
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which question? the am i part of some conspiracy? question?
i can't see where i deflected upthread. just a lot of what some call Ad Hominem attacks.
i was just digesting the site you offered and sharing my observations/generating questions concerning a topic of great concern. i can be 'guilty' or 'up to something' if that's the way you like to see it.
what do you figure made that particular exit hole so nice and spheroid?
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TradIsGood
Trad climber
Gunks end of country
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Hooter - The hole looks pretty circular. But until you show me where it is, I am not about to speculate.
To my way of thinking "ad hominem" would be saying something like "you are a [fill in the blank]". Asking "Do you have some interest in not understanding what happened? Or having others believe that there is some conspiracy? Are you part of some conspiracy that we should know about?"
These are ordinary questions and reasonable if you think that an intelligent individual is in denial, or worse.
And to answer your other question, which I took as rhetorical. No, I could give a GD if you have ever been a member, etc.
Added. Brick facade would not normally have rebar. It is normally periodically "tied" to the inner wall with metal strips laid in the mortar and nailed or screwed to the inner wall. I do not know what the inner wall construction is. It does not appear to be block masonry, which would have rebar. If it were concrete it would as well.
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Hootervillian
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Zak's Cabin
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jeez TiG, you call people out with a site link that uses an image, at best incorrectly, i raise some questions, and i'm in denial or worse?
if your looking for answers, you got the wrong guy, all i have is questions regarding these incidents. your the answer man.
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WBraun
climber
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Heeeeyyyy Maaannnnn!
When's the boxing match start? I want to see some ass kickin ......
So they say, "Provide evidence and we shall see”, then we provide evidence, and then they attack the evidence.
Or you are trying to mix, muddy and muddle the issue. Yet to sit and do nothing as you “moderates" do most of the time.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Sorry, Ouch!,
One thing I learned working around people who think they're Bad Asses is those who issue threats never follow through on them. I've been theatened at least a thousand times, and not once did any of them ever back up their words.
I've also been cold-cocked about a hundred times, and those guys (or girls) never threatened me first. They just hauled off and hit me!
So RokJox, how's this for a challenge? Since we're not going to fight.
I get the L.A. Times every day. If it's ever determined a jetliner DID NOT hit the Pentagon, The Times will be all over it. If, by 9-11-06, that's five years after the fact, there's a head-line reading "No Airplane Hit Pentagon", or something like that in The Times, I'll disappear from this Forum for a year, just like our Man, BlowBoarder did.
If NO such story appears in The Times, You disappear for a year.
At the risk of beating a dead horse, I'll say again I stand behind every word I've posted on this Forum. I choose my words very carefully, and I don't let myself be goaded or rope-a-doped into saying something I don't truly believe.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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"Their motive for a knee-jerk hatred is the irrational lying of the Bush Administration."
Count me in with this group but I also know an airplane piloted by terrorist flew into the Pentagon.
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WBraun
climber
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Time out please;
First of all I totally honestly believe that Rokjox does not think he's a bad ass what so ever. He is just trying to defend his honor.
I also believe he misread your post about the lying. I believe you really meant that If anyone tells you that an airliner did not hit the pentagon that they are lying.
In other words the source that Rokjox was getting his information was the so called lier (according to Chaz) and not Rokjox, big difference.
All in all you guys shouldn't get so bent out of shape over this and instead just take it as an intresting topic to study.
Anyways try and have some fun and don't kill each other over this guys. Not worth it and is stupid.
Love yea both, Werner
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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You're a good man, Werner.
You too RokJox.
Healyje, you need to get yourself down to Joshua Tree before it gets too hot. You owe it to yourself.
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