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Gary
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Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 27, 2005 - 05:30pm PT
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How quick your are to abandon friends
With friends like these, who needs enemies.
http://www.ussliberty.org/
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Oct 27, 2005 - 05:31pm PT
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Spy wrote: "The pre-spin has already begun with conservatives coming out on talk shows talking about how they hope that if there are any indictments they are for 'real crimes' and not 'silly technicalities."
I believe that "technicality" is called treason, and anyone who calls that "silly" is a patriot by what possible definition??
JL
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 27, 2005 - 05:44pm PT
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fattrad: Get the facts straight
Get your own facts straight.
"...the board of inquiry (concluded) that the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing in attacking the Liberty."
-- CIA Director Richard Helms
"I can tell you for an absolute certainty (from intercepted communications) that the Israelis knew they were attacking an American ship."
-- NSA Deputy Director Oliver Kirby
"Never before in the history of the United States Navy has a Navy Board of Inquiry ignored the testimony of American military eyewitnesses and taken, on faith, the word of their attackers.
-- Captain Richard F. Kiepfer, Medical Corps, US Navy (retired), USS Liberty Survivor
That the attack was deliberate "just wasn't a disputed issue" within the National Security Agency
-- Former NSA Director retired Army Lieutenant General William Odom on 3 March 2003 in an interview for Naval Institute Proceedings
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Oct 27, 2005 - 08:20pm PT
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"How quick your are to abandon friends, countries with open elections, minority parties in congress (muslims). Would you do anything to save your own skin? have you no courage? "
I'm sorry Fatty but you are the coward here. Violence is a last resort not a first, but you are all too eager to use it without regard for the future implications of what it will bring. Your are an optimist to say the least of using these tactics. Courage means taking the high road, not eagerly killing millions because you know at the end of the day your chubby butt will be safe behind your flatscreen, checking the afterhours ticker.
Sept 11th is still the only known foreign attack on our soil. We seem to be doing a pretty good job of killing ourselves in the name of freedom. Why kill others when we can leave well enough alone?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 27, 2005 - 08:36pm PT
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how quickly you have forgotten WTC 1992
Fattrad,
Do you remember how that was handled? It didn't cost hundreds of thousands of lives, nor hundreds of billions of dollars to put those perpetrators where they belonged. The reaction of that administration put an end to foreign attacks, until your hero came on watch, that is.
The only terrorist attacks on American soil in the '90s after that came from right wingers and fundamentalist Christians. You know, your fellow travelers.
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kimgraves
Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2005 - 11:06am PT
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Bebe said: "Dick Cheney will take responsibility for Libbys slip and resign. Condi Rice will be appointed Vice-President. ...from a nice lady."
Both rediculous speculations. For one, the Libby's of the world exist to fall on their swords for their bosses. And Cheney is not the kind of person to protect someone downward. If the president were in danger he might resign, but not for his chief of staff. Two: the president doesn't appoint a vice president. That takes an act of congress.
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Hootervillian
climber
Rob Field, OB
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Oct 28, 2005 - 12:15pm PT
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The big C™, in a moment of clarity-
"I think so. I mean, I don’t think indictments are particularly big deal politically. They’re a big deal for whoever gets indicted, but I don’t think it really matters to the White House. I’ve just been thinking, this is going to be lancing the boil. Let’s just get it done one way or the other this Friday. Either they get indicted and they leave, or they’re not indicted and it’s over. To stay under investigation — that is not the best possible outcome."
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dirtbag
climber
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Oct 28, 2005 - 12:54pm PT
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I'm surprised...there is a "C," a "u," and a "t," but no "n" in "Coulter."
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Hootervillian
climber
Truman Pkwy, KCMO
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Oct 28, 2005 - 12:59pm PT
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I knew that bust would get ya rolling this morning FT.
Want us to give ya'll a minute?
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kimgraves
Trad climber
Brooklyn, NY
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 28, 2005 - 01:08pm PT
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Today is Fitsmas!
In some ways to not have Rove indicted today but to remain under investigation keeps the bunker intact in the White House. Maybe better to keep them from further damage. Otherwise Rove would be gone and the White House could get on with it's carnage.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 28, 2005 - 01:29pm PT
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9/11 is partly Clintons fault.
But not at all the fault of any total lack of energy conservation measures in the US, right?
Lol! You conservatives are truly amazing. It's truly impressive to see you pick and choose the cause after you see the effect, based purely on what you want to believe.
I also hear that Clinton once stepped on a butterfly by mistake, so Katrina is partly his fault, too.
Seriously, what more could Clinton possibly have done (outside of bombing an entire nation where the casualties would be mostly extremely poor people with no connection to the act.) It's been made quite clear how extensively the outgoing administration warned W about Al Quaeda. By all accounts, GWB chose to completely ignore this because he was so fixated on Iraq.
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Oct 28, 2005 - 01:30pm PT
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"edit: And I went to NYC two weeks after the 1992 attack for training, New Yorkers were pretty shook up. "
I was there after the 2001 attack and they were pretty shook up. And they *still* don't support your crusade. So the 2 significant foreign based attacks that have happened in the United States in the past 100+ years happen in NYC, and the people closest to them disagree with the policies that you support regarding their safety by over a 4 to 1 margin.
Oh...and 'how quickly you forget.' Had to make sure to put that in there.
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Forest
Trad climber
Tucson, AZ
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Oct 28, 2005 - 01:36pm PT
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Re: the title of this topic:
Oct 28, 1:18 PM (ET)
By JOHN SOLOMON and PETE YOST
WASHINGTON (AP) - Vice presidential adviser I. Lewis "Scooter' Libby Jr. resigned Friday after being charged with obstruction of justice, perjury and making a false statement in the CIA leak investigation, a politically charged case that could throw a spotlight on President Bush's push to war.
Karl Rove, Bush's closest adviser, escaped indictment Friday but remained under investigation, his legal status a looming political problem for the White House.
The indictment charged Libby, 55, with one count of obstruction of justice, two of perjury and two false statement counts. If convicted on all five, he could face as much as 30 years in prison and $1.25 million in fines.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 28, 2005 - 02:09pm PT
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fattrad, I guess you see it as just "obstruction of justice, perjury and making a false statement" to the Grand Jury and that's the end of it. Really no big thing there, a little white lie.
But you gotta ask, what was he hiding?? Why did he make false statements?? Obviously hiding something much bigger than the outing of the CIA agent, otherwise he would not have taken the fall for something that could have been brushed off with a good lawyer or two.
In the grand scheme, outing the CIA agent is just the symptom of what was really going on. It will be interesting to see where Fitz goes from here (I doubt folks in the WHouse are feeling too easy going right now).
:- k
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 28, 2005 - 03:23pm PT
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The MidEast is one screwed up place, I believe you'll see that no matter what perspective you hold.
I'll certainly never know all the layers involved with Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Isreal, etc. Throw in the threat from Al Queda and you have an alphabet soup that's missing the key letters that spell "PEACE."
That said, the Bush team didn't have the skills needed to pull off the reorg they had hoped to see. They threw a Hail Mary, and instead of hitting a grand slam, they got slammed in return. Unable to fess up to any of their lame power-grab attempts, they just dig themselves deeper and deeper.
If you want things to work, you have to work with the the people who will help see you through. At this the neo's fail miserably.
:- k
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BeBe
Sport climber
Phoenix
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Oct 28, 2005 - 03:30pm PT
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LEB-
Yes, that is what I do for a living.
You don't see Dick Cheney resigning? Well, maybe if his HEART started giving him trouble (again) over this issue.....
Then he would quit for health reasons.
I still think the neo-cons want her (Condi) at the helm.
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Hootervillian
climber
Truman Pkwy, KCMO
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Oct 28, 2005 - 03:48pm PT
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FT- half the time your blaming the Saud's, half the time your defending them. Let me in on your secret, how will I know which when the time is right?
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 28, 2005 - 04:02pm PT
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I'm a neo-con and would have gone into Iraq without any WMD claim. Saddam was funding terrorists (Hamas), slaughtering Shiites and was still threatening the Saudi's. Irqa is/was correct.
"None is so blind as he who will not see."
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Spinmaster K-Rove
Trad climber
Stuck Under the Kor Roof
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Oct 28, 2005 - 04:08pm PT
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Will your children be signing up for the armed services, Fatty?
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