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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 12, 2008 - 08:09pm PT
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Mimi wrote:No guys, you're the ones having the lovefest. Bob places plenty of bolts so the Weakness can climb, Bob is happy believing he's making climbing safe for the masses. Perfect harmony. True love and admiration.
Edit: Tradman, you too, are way off the mark. It's about sensible resource usage. Why is that so hard for some of you clowns to get? I bet you're in full support of global warming policy though. LOL!
Yes Mimi and you are known around the climbing world for your boldness and leading ability.
Joe wrote:By your own argument there is virtually no difference between a via ferrata and sport climb. And why not a via ferrata with wrungs on every sport route? 'Just don't use the wrungs and cable if you don't like it' could be the new mantra of such an equal access utopia.
No Joe that is your argument and you are pushing it from the start. Good try through.
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2008 - 08:10pm PT
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Bob
Climbing is nothing but vertical trails for human enjoyment?
Bawhahahaha, ...... you're killing me. (rolls eyes)
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 12, 2008 - 08:14pm PT
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Werner...read it a again...seems you have the same problem as Joe.
Wes...climbing has attained total enlightenment for Werner....
Bawhahahaha, ...... you're killing me. (rolls eyes)
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2008 - 08:17pm PT
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I go go cross country.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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May 12, 2008 - 08:21pm PT
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You guys clearly watched too much television as children...
"Happy Trails" by Dale Evans Rogers
Happy trails to you, until we meet again.
Happy trails to you, keep smilin' until then.
Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather.
Happy trails to you, 'till we meet again.
Some trails are happy ones,
Others are blue.
It's the way you ride the trail that counts,
Here's a happy one for you.
Happy trails to you, until we meet again.
Happy trails to you, keep smilin' until then.
Who cares about the clouds when we're together?
Just sing a song and bring the sunny weather.
Happy trails to you, 'till we meet again.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 12, 2008 - 08:24pm PT
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Ron wrote:This is like a re-running episode of the Twilight Zone where people are trapped in 1987.
Yes Ron you are right and until the other side can somehow get over the "style thing" it will remain that way.
Thanks for the discussion folks...even the clowns (lovely and bold Mimi words) have a right to express their opinions.
Mimi wrote: Not so fast, Bobbo. The way of the clipjockey affects the resource. End of story. You can't attribute the objections to a disagreement about style. Sport bolting crosses over to ethics at the point of impact. It becomes an ethical consideration.
Are you that myopic to think that so called trad areas don't similar issues??? Ms. way of the 5 rp!
Mimi wrote: Style is about making climbing as challenging for yourself as possible. Are you really doing that with all that dangling and drilling about?
Thanks for telling me what climbing is for me and the rest of the climbing population...you are not only extremely bold but extremely wise too You are also welcome to come follow me around the Black Canyon next weekend. I know it not as wild, bold and untamed as JT...but what the hell...even you might like it.
Werner wrote: Bob got mad....
I'm happy as can be...thanks for caring.
Mimi wrote: You're off the mark on two points IMO. 1) Being rude to Mr. Stannard. He's been a champion of thoughtful recreational landuse policy his entire career. I suppose you don't know that. He's a Gunk's pioneer. 2) Bolts are more problematic than natural gear climbing; they both impact an area, but bolts impact moreso.
But since sweet little MImi is a trad dog her sins are no where as bad as those wimps sport wankers.
I'm out of here.
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Melvin Mills
Trad climber
Albuquerque NM
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May 12, 2008 - 08:27pm PT
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Joe,
There is an I-25 corridor between Taos and Denver? I have been driving the wrong way this whole time.
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Mimi
climber
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May 12, 2008 - 08:37pm PT
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Not so fast, Bobbo. The way of the clipjockey affects the resource. End of story. You can't attribute the objections to a disagreement about style. Sport bolting crosses over to ethics at the point of impact. It becomes an ethical consideration.
Style is about making climbing as challenging for yourself as possible. Are you really doing that with all that dangling and drilling about?
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2008 - 08:46pm PT
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Bob got mad....
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2008 - 08:53pm PT
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Actually latte's taste pretty good.
Too bad they cost so much .....
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 12, 2008 - 08:57pm PT
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Mimi. Please explain to me how I am so far off base when I point out that climbers both trad and sport tend to wreck the crap out of a climbing area unless someone steps up to the plate and builds trails, brushes out other trails, negotiates with landowners for parking and access, etc, etc, etc. Then you get a few grumpy anti bolt folks making a bunch of noise over a few bolts and those guys usually do not contribute anything positive to the situation. You really want to help the situation STOP HAVEING BABIES!!
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Mimi
climber
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May 12, 2008 - 09:08pm PT
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Not a problem, tradman. I'm currently childless and plan on staying that way. Carbon footprint and all.
You're off the mark on two points IMO. 1) Being rude to Mr. Stannard. He's been a champion of thoughtful recreational landuse policy his entire career. I suppose you don't know that. He's a Gunk's pioneer. 2) Bolts are more problematic than natural gear climbing; they both impact an area, but bolts impact moreso.
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2008 - 09:11pm PT
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Tradman don't insult people with your STOP HAVEING BABIES crap.
You wouldn't even exist ......
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Mimi
climber
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May 12, 2008 - 09:14pm PT
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Very true, Werner. LOL! I let him slide figuring he was a mere pup making a comment like that.
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Mimi
climber
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May 12, 2008 - 09:20pm PT
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Weakwrist, I might've stated this before. Can't wait to meet you at the base of a crag someday.
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 12, 2008 - 09:21pm PT
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Mimi wrote:Bolts are more problematic than natural gear climbing; they both impact an area, but bolts impact moreso.
F*#king hilarious...you might want to talk to the rangers at the Gunks and Eldo to start with.
Mimi wrote:Weakwrist, I might've stated this before. Can't wait to meet you at the base of a crag someday.
Bold and tough... every man dream.
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Jaybro
Social climber
The West
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May 12, 2008 - 09:26pm PT
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Fluffing and whining, fluffing and whining... there is still potential here.
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Mimi
climber
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May 12, 2008 - 09:42pm PT
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Bobbie, I knew you couldn't bear to stay away.
No, not a dream. Your worst nightmare.
You know damned well that bolting is more egregious than gear climbing. Shirley, you jest.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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May 12, 2008 - 09:44pm PT
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Certainly do not mean any disrespect to anyone for haveing children and do not mean the no child thing literaly. I do however point out that crouding at the crags and eveywhere else is a result of too many people in the world. I also am well aware of who Jstan is and respect him as a climber but I do NOT respect the Gunks mentality that just because we have all these nice crack protected climbs it gives us the right to ban bolts and you guys with out the cracks are just going to have to live with it. It does piss me off when John tries to shove his gunks management plan down the throat of the rest of the climbing community regardless of what their regional issues and resorces may be..
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 12, 2008 - 11:21pm PT
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Mimi wrote:No, not a dream. Your worst nightmare.
Funny...I been married to a feisty one for 33 years...she is a dream and the love of my life.
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