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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 30, 2018 - 05:22pm PT
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put a protractor on me, i'm hexed
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Oct 30, 2018 - 07:34pm PT
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Fritz, the photo above your “Halloween costume” photo from today’s post on the previous page looks like a spot where I could roam around for hours and hours. Very cool.
Last month... I should stick some fridge magnets on this thing next time I am out there : )
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L
climber
Just livin' the dream
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Oct 30, 2018 - 08:58pm PT
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Because you said you were lonely on this thread, Fritz:
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2018 - 09:17pm PT
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Thank you all for posting up & a special thanks to L for that lovely piece of quartz.
One last rock tonight.
A high-school friend & I both used to have dreams that this pinnacle was an immense quartz crystal. I only climbed the Sawtooth Range granite spire twice, but he did yearly laps on a now 5.8+ route on it, that in the early 1970’s we knew was only 5.6.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2018 - 03:37pm PT
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Most of us know that sunlight & exposure to UV light can fade things.
I was aware of its ability to fade Topaz & Smoky Quartz, since I had witnessed what had to be sun fade while collecting. Somehow, I didn't worry about sunlight, or even household lighting, fading more exotic mineral specimens.
I found out the hard way. Here's some photos for proof.
Smoky Quartz is pretty light stable in most cases & Idaho's Sawtooth Mountain specimens take a long while to fade, likely many years in direct sunlight at high altitude, but the proof is there.
In the late 1980's I ventured to Topaz Mountain in Utah, where small clear Topaz crystals are not difficult to find laying in the dirt. They show up great in sunlight, since from certain angles, you can see one sparkling 30' away from refracted light. However to find the desirable Sherry brown crystals you have to break rock to find small cavities. It has been stated that just a few days in direct sunlight can fade these topaz crystals clear.
Strangely, one of my prized Idaho finds is a nicely colored Topaz crystal enclosed in a faded Quartz crystal. Not all Topaz fades in sunlight.
My most distressing fade is this speciman with large Kunzite (Spodumene) crystals, from Afghanistan. The Kunzite started out a beautiful green & within less than a year of household light, had faded to clear. After a couple years in a drawer some purple is now showing up in the once green crystals.
Before
& now
The Arsenic Sulphides Realgar & Orpiment are very susceptible to light.
This once shiny red Realgar with pryrite on quartz from Peru, faded horribly within a year in household light.
This large specimen from Nevada, once had much brighter Orpiment & some red Realgar & the Realgar faded badly after about two years in household light, with occasional sunlight.
Here’s a long list of susceptible to fading minerals, from Minedat.com.
https://www.mindat.org/mesg-5-115692.html
Anglesite (brown to colorless)
Anhydrite (blue to colorless)
Apatite (mauve or pink to colorless)
Pakistan, Afghanistan* pink fades
La Marina, Mine, Pauna, Boyacá Colombia* pink fades
Moro Vehlo Mine, Nova Lima, Minas Gerais pink fades
Himalaya Mine, CA
Aragonite (w/ color)
Argentite
Aurivilliusite
Barite (colorless or blue to darker; blue to colorless; yellow/brown to green or blue)
“Hartsel” Barite can turn from white to blue in sunlight.
Moscona Mine barite goes from white to blue in sunlight but reversible.
Beryl v Aquamarine*
Blue beryl can be made irradiating certain pale natural beryls but like maxime, the electron trap is shallow and so unstable. Fe-colored aquamarines are perfectly stable.
Beryl v Emerald
Beryl v Maxixe* (Blue to colorless or pink)
Beryl v Morganite (apricot or purplish to pink; pink to paler pink)
One Afghanistan find, pink beryl turned deep yellow with a few hours of sunlight.
S. CA pegmatites, morganites would be left in the sun to "bring the pink up"
Brazilianite (green to colorless)
Bromargyrite (darkens, Ag liberated)
Calcite (colors fade)
Elmwood, TN*
Santa Eulalia (yellow ones from Santa Eulalia temporarily turn pinkish on 15-20 min exposure to sunlight, turn white permanently with 30-60 min exposure to sunlight.
Celestine (blue to colorless)
Chlorargyrite* (gray to violet-brown, Ag liberated)
Cinnabar (red to black metacinnabar)
Corderoite
McDermitt (Cordero) Mine, NV, Pink Corderoite turns a mouse gray color
Corundum (yellow to colorless)
Crocoite
Creedite (purple creedites are VERY light sensitive)
Cuprite* (darkens, Cu liberated)
Diamond (yellow to green; red to pink)
Djurelite
Mount Gabriel, County Cork, Ireland
Fayalite (green to blue)
Feldspar v Amazonite*
Fluorapatite (pink fades)
Fluorite (pink to colorless; green to purple; blue or purple to colorless or pink)
Bingham, NM, blue will fade with exposure to sunlight.
El Hamman, Morocco, Ink blue pales with 30 min direct sun exposure *
Elmwood fluorite is reported to be stable.
Haute-Loire, France, sky blue turns colorless with 30 min direct sunlight.
Hilton yellow fluorite is reported to be stable.
Navidad Mine, deep grape purple when mined, but miners put in sun for 6-9 weks to turn them pink.
Sant Marçal, Montseny, Spain, deep blue turns dirty green with 1 hr direct sunlight exposure. *
Weardale (Cowshill area), Pale green changed to purple almost immediately on exposure to daylight (not even direct sunlight!).
Weardale (Rogerly, Heights, Cement Quarry, and the old White's Level), green are all potentially unstable, though to varying degrees. Purple color appears more stable. Deep green fluorite from the Rogerly (Solstice Pocket) permanently changed almost instantly to a muddy gray-green if exposed to a LWUV lamp; this process took longer in sunlight.
Halite (blue or yellow may change)
Huantajayite (argentian halite, contains silver halides)
Searles lake, pink color from halophylic bacteria and algae fade with exposure to sun.
Haüyne (blue pales)
Hisingerite (red to brown)
Ianthinite (purple to greenish yellow)
Inesite
Kleinite (yellow to orange)
Lepidolite (purple to gray)
Marcasite (w/ high humidity - can speed up oxidation)
Metatyuyamunite (yellow to green)
Mercury Halides like Aurivilliusite
Miargyrite
Miersite (darkens, Ag liberated)
Mosesite (yellow to green)
Nepheline (pink to colorless)
Orpiment
Pabstite (pink to colorless)
Pararealgar*
Phenakite (red to pink)
Lemon yellow phenakite from Mt Antero turned colorless after one day in sunshine.
Orange/brown phenakite from the emerald/alexandrite deposits in the Urals turn colorless or white depending on inclusion content within hours or days if exposed to UV light.
Proustite*
Pyrargyrite
Pyrite (w/ high humidity, light can speed up oxidation)
Pyrostilpnite
Quartz (most colored quartz is light sensitive)
Quartz v Amethyst (fades)
Brazilian amethyst
Nebraska amethyst will bleach after a couple of days in the sun.
Quartz v Citrine
Quartz v Morion
Quartz v Rose* (fades)
Quartz v Smoky (smoky to greenish yellow to colorless)
Quartz v Agate
Quartz v Opal
Realgar* (red to yellow pararealgar)
Realgar is only sensitive to green light
Rutile (pale to darker)
Scapolite (violet to colorless)
Selenite (pink fades)
Silver, native – can tarnish when exposed to light and moisture
Silver Halides (these generally darken and Ag is liberated)
Silver Sulfides/Sulfosalts like Miargyrite
Sodalite (blue)*
Sodalite v Hackmanite* (red to green, blue, or colorless)
Spinel (red)
Spodumene v Hiddenite
Spodumene v Kunzite (pink to colorless)
Stephanite
Tetrahedrite
Topaz* (brown to colorless or blue; blue to paler or colorless)
Most Thomas Range, UT sherry topaz xtals turn colorless with exposure to sunlight.
Some topaz xtals from east side of the Thomas Range, UT start out as sherry but turn pink after one to three weeks in the sun. This is due to an unusually high content of pseudobrokite inclusions. The pink is stable, at least after one year of leaving these in the sun.
Some topaz from the Little Three Mine were collected as colorless but turned blue upon exposure to the sun. Blue crystals that came out of the 1976 and 1991 pockets became much more blue with exposure. This blue color appears stable.
Sherry colored topaz from Villa Garcia, Zacatecas, Mexico is reported to have stable color.
The sherry colored portions of topaz xtals from Mokrusha Mine, Urals fade and seem to turn light blue with exposure to sunlight.
Volodarsk/Volhynsk, Ukraine topazes usually start our dark orange but fade quickly with exposure to sunlight. Bicolored samples found in some pockets (light pinkish champagne and blue) seem to be more stable (at least for 15 years).
Tourmaline (some pink, red)
Tuperssuatsiaite
Tuperssuatsiaite specimens from Aris started out mauve but turned green.
Vanadinite (red or yellow to darker)
Vivianite (green, blue)*
Wulfenite
Red Cloud wulfenites will fade over time
Xanthoconite
Zircon (brown)*
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 13, 2018 - 02:30pm PT
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Realgar! That's the thing my geologist friend in Seattle conned me into
helping him look for! He had previously found one of the largest specimens
that the Smithsonian had bought from him. Of course the day we went we
only found minnows.
Yeah, he kept his specimens in his basement in a box and would only display
them under black light.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2018 - 03:33pm PT
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hooblie? Is that a rockfall rock? Did it hit you?
Reilley: It's also very important to not lick your fingers or the specimens, to brighten them up, after collecting Realgar & Orpiment.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2018 - 12:11pm PT
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Here's an “ooid” post for the Holidays.
Our "ranchette" has a lot of gravel deposits that came down the Snake River from as far away as the Teton Range & northern Utah. Much of that gravel is from the basalt flows along the Snake, but a certain percent are more exotic specimens.
I found this nicely polished 4" x 3" rock about a month back here & I vaguely knew what it was, but a little research was called for. It is a slightly unusual, shall we say "odd", silica oolite.
Oolite is a sedimentary rock made up of ooids (ooliths) that are cemented together. Most oolites are limestones — ooids are made of calcium carbonate (minerals aragonite or calcite). Ooids are spheroidal grains with a nucleus and mineral cortex accreted around it which increases in sphericity with distance from the nucleus. Nucleus is usually either mineral grain or biogenic fragment. The term “ooid” is applied to grains less than 2 mm in diameter. Larger grains with similar genesis are pisoids (pisoliths). Rocks made up of pisoids is pisolite.
The terms “oolite” and “ooid” are derived from the Greek word for fish roe (oon) which ooids resemble.
Ooids usually possess a clearly developed growth banding. Ooids may be spherical but some are elongated, depending on the shape of nucleus. Most ooids are marine, forming in shallow (less than 10 m, preferably even less than 2 meters), warm, and wave-agitated water such as the Persian Gulf and the Bahama Platform. Ooids in these places form a distinct type of sand — ooid sand. Ooids are kept moving by waves which enables accretion to occur on all sides. This is also the reason why ooids are so well-polished. Warm water is needed to lower the carbon dioxide content in water (higher temperature reduces the ability of water to keep gases dissolved) and thereby enhance the precipitation of calcium carbonate. It is believed that ooid formation is generally abiogenic process. However, the exact formation mechanisms are still unresolved.
Most modern ooids are composed of mineral aragonite. Some ooids form in non-marine environments, the Great Salt Lake is probably the best known example of ooid formation in saline lake. Some ooids form in fresh-water lakes, caves, caliche soils, hot springs, and rivers. Even ooids made of evaporite minerals gypsum and halite have been reported1.
Some ooids are made of silica (chert), dolomite or fine-grained phosphatic material (collophane). Such ooids are formed by replacement of original calcium carbonate, but they may be also primary. Especially phosphatic and iron-bearing ooids, composed of hematite and goethite seem to have been formed as such.
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Aeriq
Sport climber
100-year Visitor
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Jan 24, 2019 - 08:25pm PT
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Nice, Minerals - a geologist being psyched on your pic is one hell of a nice nod.
The approach has completely changed since we were there 3 years ago.
High waters at Crowley have eroded the sandstone? It's hardly stone, but has left delicate steam veins? cris-crossing through the matrix as you walk by.
It seemed like there was at least 20 feet of erosion into the hillside at the shallower entry point.
Let us know if you are coming down! Be great to go again - it's been a while!
wolfebox at gmail
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2019 - 08:55pm PT
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Aeriq! I am happy to see that time & a new persona have helped to mellow you about posting rocks on Tuesday. Welcome.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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Jan 28, 2019 - 07:08pm PT
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It’s a cool photo. I didn’t have a sense of scale, and how tall the columns are until I saw a photo with a two-legged creature standing next to the columns. No idea when I might make it to Crowley, but it would be fun to toast the columns with a beer or two. Check out the articles – some pretty interesting stuff.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 10, 2019 - 04:09pm PT
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I've been talking about making a collecting & ghost-towning trip to the Tonopah area with Minerals since last fall, but the weather has not been condusive so far this spring. It's winter down there again this week.
The wind has been gusting into the low 40 mph range here for two days, with one more day of "breezy" conditions forecast.
It makes me want to talk about Wulfenite Pb(MoO4).
Per Minedata, It was renamed in 1845 to honor Franz von Wulfen, who authored a monograph on the lead ores of Bleiberg, Austria. This mineral was originally named "plumbum spatosum flavo-rubrum, ex Annaberg, Austria" in 1772 by Ignaz von Born.
It is a secondary mineral of lead, typically found as thin tabular crystals with a bright orange-red, yellow-orange, yellow or yellowish grey colour in the oxidised zones of hydrothermal lead deposits.
Wulfanite is in the Tetragonal crystal system, but it takes a lot of forms: commonly thin tabular, square, with flat or rounded vicinal faces, may be elongated, or pyramidal, with the pyramid truncating or replacing; more rarely pseudo-octahedral; and very rarely either cubic or short prismatic pyramidal. Commonly exhibits additional forms, some exhibiting pyramidal hemihedrism.
Although there are occcurances of Wulfenite in Idaho, it is more common in arid climates. I confess to having bought my only specimens. A nicely-colored, translucent, crystaline, lead ore, is always of interest to me.
This nice piece was a Valentine Day gift to Heidi last year. It's great not to have to buy her stuff in a jewelery store. Rowley Mine, Painted Rock Dist, Maricopa Co. AZ. 7 x 5 cm. I freely confess that she had been looking for an affordable specimen of that quality for a year & closed the deal on this specimen.
This specimen features Bi-pyramidal crystals of orange Wulfenite on quartz 7.5 x 4 cm. M'fouati Mine, M'Fouati, M'fouati Dist, Bouenza Dept, Republic of the Congo.
This one features Wulfenite on small Quartz crystals. From the classic AZ location, the Red Cloud Mine, Silver Dist., La Paz Co. AZ 8 x 4 Cm.
I bought this specimen in a rock shop in Ouray about 1981, but if I ever knew the location it came from, I've long forgotten it.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 10, 2019 - 05:54pm PT
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The secondary zeolite mineral, analcime, filling and lining cavities in basalt...
Serpentinite breccia...
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Apr 10, 2019 - 06:45pm PT
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Wow Fritz- I had absolutely no clue that minerals/crystals could fade. the oolite/ooid article was fascinating as well Interesting stuff. Yay- I have a a new scrabble word for those pesky spare vowels;)
Crowley Columns unfortunately have been almost completely submerged for the last couple years with the record snowfall filling the reservoir. Geology side note: The same steam-phenomenon that created the columns... created the dozens of perfect-sized and perfectly-spaced hills (sticking out of the otherwise flat land) visible on the east side of 395 as you drive north out of Bishop.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Topic Author's Reply - May 7, 2019 - 11:23am PT
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My recently retired friend Jerry & I went to the Gold Hill Utah area for a two-day mineral collecting & small peak bagging visit. The scenic values of the area, with the stark white Bonneville Salt Flats far below & the 12,000 + foot Ibapah Range immediately to the southwest, make for some photos I like.
I also found some Wufenite, which I had never collected before & some nice Large green Actinolite crystals, which was a new mineral to me, along with some other showy specimens.
I am now hosting a Facebook group for my stories. Any Faceboook member should be able to view the group: RAY BROOKS IDAHO STORIES & MISADVENTURES.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/425056734950713/?multi_permalinks=425063958283324¬if_id=1557242515163059¬if_t=feedback_reaction_generic
There's lots of photos, both of the scenery & minerals we found.
Best wishes, Ray Brooks aka Fritz.
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Minerals
Social climber
The Deli
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May 28, 2019 - 10:15pm PT
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Last Tuesday of The Topo, so here’s a rock, and then some...
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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May 29, 2019 - 11:41am PT
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