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Hoser
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vancouver
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Apr 23, 2012 - 03:59pm PT
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I didnt show up to the meeting because I figured it was such a stupid idea there was no way it was going to happen.
Notice that to hike the trail to the upper terminal you still have to hike the chief trail...so any idea that the backside would be any less crowded thanks to this gondola is moot.
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bmacd
Trad climber
100% Canadian
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Apr 23, 2012 - 04:11pm PT
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a map - oh thanks ... I can see clearly now the pain is gone
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Apr 23, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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A somewhat larger scale photo looking across at the proposed upper terminal area. Whether it would be on the knoll that's in the middle, or maybe the saddle or next knoll to the left, seems of little consequence. There's a photo on the developer's website from that point, showing a largely unobstructed view of the Chief.
Photo taken on Saturday, a quite grey day, so contrast not great. There was no snow on or around the first summit (~670 m), but there was on the knoll, which seemed several hundred metres higher. It's either on or in the near vicinity of it.
Should FOSC hold inclusive public meetings of its own, to discuss the proposal, and encourage all those interested to contribute? Kind of like we did in 2004, but in more locations?
Those who didn't stay to the end on Thursday missed the developer's answer to a question about keeping the Habrich road closed.
Some might be interested to know that Robin Barley wrote a letter to the premier in 2004, to oppose the proposed gondola then. I know - I saw the letter. Robin may be somewhat of a contrarian, and argumentative, which is perhaps why he suggested at our meeting then that a gondola mightn't be all bad. But his heart is (usually) in the right place.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 23, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
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That crag looks pretty clean? did they scrub it?
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Apr 23, 2012 - 05:27pm PT
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the 20m high already climbed by a few routes "1-2p" thing....its garbage.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 23, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
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Hey Hoser, nice job on the map! Looks great, can't wait. Thank-you.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 23, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
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our garbage would be gold in some places...
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 23, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
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I still think Anders's upper terminal is a little low and west of the actual site. Not a big deal, I know, but might as well keep it honest.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Apr 23, 2012 - 06:27pm PT
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Cant wait...you said ten pages ago you dont care whether it gets built or not...
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 23, 2012 - 06:44pm PT
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I don't, and I'm not holding my breath. I might not particularly care if it gets built, but I am most certainly NOT opposed to it. That's the important part here. The main reason I ramble on here on the super-time-eraser-site is to try to ensure some fairness in the debate. It irks me to see a 60 foot easement get written up as a potential 250 foot wide swath up the mountainside. It also makes me wonder when I see literature suggesting the tram will land on the summit of the Chief. So far I haven't seen any gross exaggerations by the folks proposing it so I just think it's only fair that the group opposing it be well informed with the TRUE facts. That's all.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Apr 23, 2012 - 07:13pm PT
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its there are ready for you to go as we speak....not sure what you are waiting for?
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Apr 23, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
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The self propelled crew hike up from petgill lake...its called disneyland there are lots of TR's around.
Not sure how reasonable it is to bike in from the Shannon cr road, but for sure you can get to the clear cut above petgill lake from those roads. From there I dont know if there is an easy way to gain the ridge.
The trials guys ride up from the heli landing in Britannia
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 23, 2012 - 11:30pm PT
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If the "self-propelled" crew "hike" up from Petgill lake, how do they get to Petgill Lake in the first place?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 24, 2012 - 12:31am PT
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If the "self-propelled" crew "hike" up from Petgill lake, how do they get to Petgill Lake in the first place?
No sh#t.
Dick Mitten and I once tried to climb "Petgill Wall" You can see it from the road, and Keith Nannery came down from it with tales of the most amazing climb in the universe (many pitches of overhanging 5.8), so of course we wanted it.
After a whole day of thrashing in the jungle, we caught a glimpse of it.
Not an easy hike. Or not back then. Maybe there's a paved path now.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Apr 24, 2012 - 03:05am PT
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If the "self-propelled" crew "hike" up from Petgill lake, how do they get to Petgill Lake in the first place?
They hike and bike up man, you know an experience that makes Squamish Squamish and not some wannabe euro joke with casinos and gondolas.
Go ahead and ride in from the boulder blockade, its 2 hours of cross country. Take the fam, the trails are all waiting for you to explore.
Never the less I think we get the point that you truly dont care about the park or the gondola
Petgill wall is no where near Petgil lake, I believe Fern climbed it though and far as I know it was fine.
Goat Ridge-Google
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 24, 2012 - 09:08am PT
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Hike-a-bike to petgill lake and then up to goat ridge? Who are you trying to fool Hoser? If you think that's a standard outing and you have no idea why someone would rather take a gondola then I'm out of answers for you.
Funny, but it's this type of misleading information that keeps me writing in. Just as the gondola won't be summitting the Chief, no one hikes their bike to petgill lake and then up to Goat Ridge. They go up through Britannia. If you're going to print it, please make sure it's the truth, otherwise you have people making ill informed decisions.
And while we're at it, please don't quote me as saying I don't care about the Park or the Gondola. More poor writing on your part. What I've been saying is that I'm in no way opposed to the gondola. I think it would be great if it happens but if not, I won't lose any sleep over it. I do feel a need to do my bit to make sure the readers are well informed.... with the truth. You writing in explaining how gnarly you are and that riding your bike up the Shannon creek road or hike-a-biking up through the Petgill lake is no big deal isn't doing anyone any favours. We all get the picture; you're amazing. Save it for a crowd that cares.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Apr 24, 2012 - 10:52am PT
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first off this is just a debate right. I know that you guys, specifically BK can dole it out so...make sure you can take it :)
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I am a piece of work....Seems like if Hamish doesnt like what he hears he just calls people liars with out do any home work at all.
Continuing with misleading info, the gondola isnt going to get you any closer to goat ridge bike trails than the current roads/trails do now.
Here are three trs for you Hamish, try using this thing called GOOGLE if you want to find others, there are plenty.
As far as quoting goes...do I need to go back and literally quote you?
I don't even care if there's a gondola or not. I love riding my bike uphill; I went to the Rob Cocqyet school of mtn. biking and therefore learned to earn my turns
go get it big boy
http://bivouac.com/TripPg.asp?TripId=5009
I agree with you Bruce, the natives should do whatever the f*#k they want to make some bucks!!
The white man, well he should fuk off with messing with park boundaries.
You shouldnt feel inferior Bruce, its ok for your friends to disagree...next time I see a groupon for some counselling I will send it over.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 24, 2012 - 11:05am PT
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Hoser, I'm not calling you a liar. I'm sure you're right and some poor sod has hiked their bike up to petgill lake and beyond. People have done everything imaginable out there; doesn't mean it was fun.
The issue I have is for the average reader taking in your posts. According to your writing, the bikers wouldn't benefit from a gondola because there's a perfectly good couple of ways to bike up there, Squamish style. "go get it, big boys". Give me a break.
And now that you've informed us you know how to google stuff, google "Boundary Adjustments in Provincial Parks". It's commonplace.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 24, 2012 - 12:32pm PT
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Go take a flying Fuk at a rolling donnut.
Now Bruce, you've got to stop hiding your true feelings. It's okay to say what you really think. Keeping your emotions bottled up like this isn't good for you. Why not tell Hoser what your real opinion of him/her is?
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Apr 24, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
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Yo boys, I see nowhere in the Sea to Sky information that they are interested in DH mountain biking and it only lists the potential for XC mountain biking.
Is the local mountain biking community developing a plan with the S2S crew?
Does S2S plan on retrofitting the gondolas for bike use?
If the bikers want in on the action they should get some assurances in writing from S2S.
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