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harryhotdog

Social climber

north vancouver, B.C.

Oct 21, 2013 - 02:39am PT

Could someone in the Tahoe area that is familiar with and close to the location of the trees please PM me as the researchers that did the studies on these ancient junipers would like a crosscut sample to ascertain their ages. If it turns out the bigger tree was of a substantial age the story will more likely make it into the mainstream media. The idea behind this is not to persecute the perpetrator who is really only guilty of ignorance. The idea is to use this event to educate all outdoor users about slow growing ancient trees as most people equate size with age and that obviously is not the case all the time.

clinker

Trad climber

California

Oct 21, 2013 - 03:03am PT

This guy Joe should definitely become an organ donor, and cut off a finger right now for saw accident victims . Remember the tree was a juniper, not just a grass hummock. Does anyone know how old the grass hummocks are on the Surprise?

By the way Joe now you will find out who your friends are. The ones who will stick through anything.

Todd Gordon

Trad climber

Joshua Tree, Cal

Oct 21, 2013 - 03:35am PT

Tough situation.........A mistake to cut down the tree;.....pretty much everyone agrees with that one. Now what........
I guess Joe and Ethan can give everyone the finger and get on with it.
They tried to explain their mistake and say a heart-felt "I'm sorry.".....but many many people can, won't, don't want to buy into their apology....fair enough.
Personally, I like and appreciate when people fuk up;....and say they are sorry.....I like it a whole hell of alot better than when people fuk up and don't apologize for their mistakes.
Sometimes apologizes work;...sometimes they don't.....I still like to see them and respect the "sorry" part. If you don't acknowledge the apologize or respect the "I am sorry"......I think it encourages people to NOT apologize and say "sorry" in the future;...and just be cold hard-asses.......we have enough cold hard-asses in the world. I don't like the cut tree either;...but I do like the apology and the "sorry" thing;......always have, and always will....I like to hear it, I respect it when people do it, and I encourage people to do so when they f-up.......I try to do the same in my life when I screw up;...and when I do screw up;...I hope I have the sac to say "I'm sorry" and mean it....and I hope my friends accept my apologies..........it's a scary scary world to think that if and when we screw up....our apologizes don't, can't and won't work.........good luck to Joe and Ethan..........

i'm gumby dammit

Sport climber

da ow

Oct 21, 2013 - 03:56am PT

i get the impression he is sorry too. don't know why everyone is expecting so much. if he sprays all the time why would you expect his apology to come across any different, it's not like he's a different person.
i think this story will make it into one of the major publications like rock and ice or climbing. it would be really cool to see one of his sponsors come out and pay for this space on one of the mags as an educational piece rather than as an ad. in doing so, i think they would garner more support than any ad could do for them.
spin to win

Karl Baba

Trad climber

Yosemite, Ca

Oct 21, 2013 - 04:03am PT

Just to be a quirky devil's advocate here

Since forest service allows logging and mining and stuff, I wonder what the USFS would have said if the guys applied for a permit to cut that tree?

I guess you probably have to want to cut a bunch of them to get a pass

Peace

Karl

tr4

climber

Tuolumne Meadows, Ca

Oct 21, 2013 - 04:06am PT

The real reason he wrote that apology was he is a afraid his Sponsors will dump him.

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber

Old and Broken Down in Appalachia

Oct 21, 2013 - 04:26am PT

Since forest service allows logging and mining and stuff, I wonder what the USFS would have said if the guys applied for a permit to cut that tree?

True, true and so what? Possible bad decisions by government bureaucrats justifies bad behavior?

I won't say anything else, I have too many skeletons in my closet and my house is made of glass. I've learned from my mistakes and have repented, hope that Joe can grow up and do the same.

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Oct 21, 2013 - 06:20am PT

Kinder comes from the north east . We have more trees than you can shake a stick at. It is common practice to prune and cut trees and brush just to get to the base of the cliff. You have to keep on top of it as a lot of that stuff grows back almost as fast as you can trim it. A Hand saw is part of the standard FA rack in the North East. I and hundreds of thousands of others cut trees down, chop them up and put them in our wood stoves. Obviously Kalifornia is an arid climate and the tree situation is different. Comming from the east I compltely understand the logic of cutting the tree down. I certainly would not go somewhere else and do the same stuff I do on my own turf. You have to learn the ethics and practices of the area before you do that kind of stuff. I can see that Kalifornia arm chair critics are quite vicious as well. Another thing to keep in mind when doing FA's out there;)

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Oct 21, 2013 - 07:13am PT

you guys and galls are like a pack of Coyotes cross bred with vultures. any sign of weakness and the pack closes in....

Yea kinder comes off as a dumbass stoner but you guys are pretty darn vicious.....