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hamish f
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squamish
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Apr 20, 2012 - 12:43pm PT
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Shame on those "Pro" people for getting together to talk about what they would talk about!
And Praise for the "No" people for never talking about what they might talk about. Such stand up citizens. Or, at least, they're citizens standing up. But not talking before talking, or at least if they were talking, they wouldn't be talking about it, after.
Glad we got that cleared up.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 20, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
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Yup. When "we" get together to sort out our strategy ahead of time, we are working together in defense of a noble cause. When "they" get together to sort out their strategy, it is obviously unethical.
Doublethink in action.
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Apr 20, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 20, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
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I knew you had a smart cat.
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Hoser
climber
vancouver
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Apr 20, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
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He is referring to the cats world...hence the table comment.
I think his daughter is bringing home too many pirate packs.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 20, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
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Are you sure? Boy, I'm so naive sometimes. Ooops.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Apr 20, 2012 - 08:10pm PT
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Bruce - re: the Occam's Razor business... so where and how would you recommend that we get the resources to locate the evidence that you demand? It would seem to me that any enterprise that is profit-oriented is unlikely to focus on the negative aspects of their proposal. The words "caveat emptor" come from a language often referred to as dead, but that phrase has weathered the centuries for a good reason.
That aside, THIS IS A CLASS "A" PROVINCIAL PARK. Ministerial "discretion" aside, what do the words "in perpetuity for future generations" actually mean? Also, regarding the rigid thinking that us opponents of this project are accused of, here's some compromises that I am sure all of us critics would agree to:
 If world peace can arise from development of a Class"A" park, then have at it - I'll even cough up a few bucks to buy gas for the chainsaws.
If space zombies from planet Zontar attack planet earth and our only defence is to throw chunks of grano-diorite at them, then let's blast the Chief to rubble.
for similar planetary threats - see the above, otherwise leave it alone. It's a Class "A" park. Future generations will thank us.
As for my suggestion regarding the repair of the existing road - here's an idea that may provoke outrage , but it's still OUR country, at least for the moment. How about all of us lobbying the mayors of the communities that currently, or within living memory, based their economies on forestry to demand from the Government of B.C. that timber rights be signed over to these communities just like Class "A" parks - in perpetuity for future generations? It would end the "log 'em and leave 'em" mentality that has destroyed the economies of these towns when the multinationals move on to fresher territory.
I doubt that even the sleaziest small-town mayor would permit raw log exports or tolerate clear-cut logging, which is admittedly in decline. Nevertheless, the BIG bucks sure aren't going into the pockets of the locals. Amazingly enough, the above proposal would result in jobs, jobs, jobs, and sufficient capital to fund such projects as the repair of the aforementioned road to Habrich.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 20, 2012 - 08:25pm PT
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Nice idea Woz but really, any town in B.C. that ever based their economy on logging? I guess that pretty much covers them all. You're within range of the North Island TFLs, can't wait to see the look on WFP brass when they find out their god-given TFLs are about to be confiscated. Cool idea though.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 20, 2012 - 11:07pm PT
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That's what Cuba did to piss off the Americans so much back in the day. Take their sh#t back!!
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Apr 21, 2012 - 12:06am PT
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Precisely. Now all we have to do is elect a government with the balls to do it. It's our country - not WFP's - yet.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 23, 2012 - 11:24am PT
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Giddyup
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 23, 2012 - 12:34pm PT
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Haybrick eh? the developers are changing the name? :)
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Apr 23, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
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Yup. And The Chief is now officially renamed "Gondola Peak."
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Apr 23, 2012 - 01:28pm PT
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Shannon falls will soon be renamed "gondola sewer pipe falls"
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 23, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
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Sudan is now Couloir Extreme, Big Bang is the right entrance. I still call it Sudan.
Rumor was the Sudan family didn't think it was worthy of his name to they asked intrawest to change it.
Gandy Dancer is now officially "Ross's Gold (Gandy Dancer)"?
http://media.intrawest.com/whistler/maps/trailmap1112.pdf
edit Guess I better go do local boys before it becomes sewer pipe falls!
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Apr 23, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
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We were satisfied with the attendance and speakers at the meeting on Thursday. FOSC has had only a few weeks to get the word out and get organized. Many of those who have concerns about one or other or all aspects of the proposal and process can only express them by letter or e-mail, and it's no secret that there's some local support. So 15 speaking against the proposal and process, and 40 in favour, seemed respectable. The news media coverage also suggests that there is considerable interest in the issues.
FOSC will continue to send information about the proposal and the flawed process that has been used to consider it, and to encourage all those with an interest in the issue to write to the governments. The provincial government can still create a coherent, inclusive, independent process for examining what is proposed - if it doesn't just decide that removing land from Class A parks is contrary to the public interest.
The knoll where the upper terminal would be located, as seen from the first summit of the Chief. Upper Goat Ridge behind.
A possible alternative, with a base behind/south of the Papoose, and a tram rising to the knoll above, perhaps higher.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 23, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
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Are you sure that is the top terminal? I'm not convinced. If you look at your initial pictures from the third page of posts, I think the terminal is higher. In addition, I think they advertise the top terminal as 2700 feet. The knoll in your photo seems fairly equal to the summit of the Chief, which is more like 2300.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 23, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
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Which map are you using?
Of course I can't read a map. And if you check the other site, you'll see I just learned how to write two months ago. My only skill is operating a mtn. bike. Total obfuscation. :)
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Apr 23, 2012 - 02:41pm PT
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Nice.. glad I said rumor.. marketing is right.
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hamish f
Social climber
squamish
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Apr 23, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
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Feeling better already. I believe he's perfectly capable of reading a map; just all part of the Plan.
My son's friend's sister can read that map and she's only four. We need a REAL map, not a Dora the Explorer map.
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