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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Nov 12, 2012 - 12:32am PT
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Hey East side underground..I forget a lot of sh#t...So what...! yeeaadee , yeeaddee , etc...
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 12, 2012 - 01:50am PT
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Maybe????
The Chiefs argument is against geoengineering by scientists?
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 12, 2012 - 02:03am PT
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As opposed to geoengineering without the scientists?
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 12, 2012 - 03:59am PT
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The Chief,
You're being as much if not more dogmatic than those you accuse.
Other than that troll on, after 6600 posts in this thread you've become a clear expert at it!
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 12, 2012 - 10:16am PT
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zzzzzzzzzzzz...chief blah blah...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 12, 2012 - 10:19am PT
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That would be all good and well if we weren't also the ones doing the dealing.
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raymond phule
climber
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Nov 12, 2012 - 11:06am PT
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The pro AGW folks here want to change the environment to suit there ambitions, regardless what those may be. Not work WITH it.
Interesting, I thought it was the other way around.
Man is constantly behaving in this manner and just keep fking things up, over and over and over.
I don't really get this. F*#king up things by burning a lot of fossils fuels is okay according to you but to try to limit the burning of fossils fuels is bad because it f*#k up things?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 12, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
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The pro AGW folks here want to change the environment to suit there ambitions, regardless what those may be.
We have Rick Poedtke claiming that he knows what the "AWG folks here want to change".
Rick, please point to one post that shows that us AWG folks want to change the environment. Just one will do.
Rick, I'm getting tired of you barking about what people are proposing as solutions to the problem, when in fact all I've seen is a steady stream of posts that proves the problem exists. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall any discussions on remedies.
So Rick, you can continue to put words in our mouths, but it just reveals another side of your ignorance.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 12, 2012 - 04:35pm PT
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The pro AGW folks here want to change the environment to suit there ambitions, regardless what those may be.
 The Chief
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't recall any discussions on remedies.
k-man
What!
You now agree with me by your confession that you all just want to dwell in the problem (that has been the mainstay for some 50 years now) and do not want to come with and then implement any remedies?
The Chief
What?!? So you agree with me that you are totally off base when you bitch and moan about what the pro AWG folks here say.
Rick, you really are a tool.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 13, 2012 - 04:42pm PT
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Chief does not seem to know, or care, that so many of his accusations and declarations of "facts" are so easily proved to be things he made up.
Interesting to note that NOT one of your surveys/reports includes the addiction problem that has in fact plagued and been a far greater detriment to the cultures you so want to save. Not one peep of that real issue that has in fact killed more people of the Arctic cultures in the past 50 or so years than any other entity.
He's proclaimed that a number of times. It's not been my main focus, and I haven't cured cancer either, but just for instance ... from the (peer reviewed) International Journal of Circumpolar Health:
"Alcohol, drugs, and family violence: perceptions of high school students in southwest Alaska"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10093325
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 13, 2012 - 05:17pm PT
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Rick Poedtke writes,
that peer rev'd paper that you have absolutely nothing to do with
I'm one of the authors. You just can't stop, can you?
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 13, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
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Apparently your authorship was not from first hand experience in any front line household that endured that daily violence & addiction
Now you're accusing me of not living in a household with daily violence and addiction? True enough, but what you're trying to do here is called "moving the goal posts."
What you actually wrote earlier was the following. I've added emphasis to the parts just proved untrue.
Interesting to note that NOT one of your surveys/reports includes the addiction problem that has in fact plagued and been a far greater detriment to the cultures you so want to save. Not one peep of that real issue that has in fact killed more people of the Arctic cultures in the past 50 or so years than any other entity.
So you repeated it twice (several times earlier too), and it was a flat-out false accusation both times. You do that a lot.
that peer rev'd paper that you have absolutely nothing to do with
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Nov 13, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
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OK, Rick Poedtke ("The Chief") just proved the point I made earlier.
Chief does not seem to know, or care, that so many of his accusations and declarations of "facts" are so easily proved to be things he made up.
Your "NOT one of your surveys/reports includes the addiction problem" accusations proved false, so you instantly made up a new "absolutely nothing to do with" accusation. But that proved false even faster, so without a pause you shotgunned a bunch of new accusations. You've got more free time and hate than I do, so I'll check out here.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 13, 2012 - 07:05pm PT
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I'll repeat again.
This thread is really fun to read if you scroll past The Chief's additions.
No kidding.
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Nov 13, 2012 - 11:59pm PT
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Chief, by your definition, if “elitism” is what scientists such as Ed and Chiloe do every day, I guess you’ve got them cornered. But if it is something more careful and systematic than your hit and run use of crap science, I think I’m going to listen to them more than you.
If you would have just kept this simple and said you don’t like the prospect of paying a carbon tax, this whole thread could have been a lot more useful. Your concern there is valid and deserves serious discussion.
But you just can’t resist trying to convince us that your two-bit non-“elitist” science has the same standing as the accumulated research of many committed individuals who probably (non-objectively) wish they could prove the null hypothesis (that we are not headed for chaotic climatic conditions). There’s no point in getting into any of the details of actual studies- you don’t’ really want to do that. When someone suggests discussing any of the actual details you spray the squid ink from someone who has been bought and sold by the Koch Brothers or the equivalent.
It’s admirable your kids are doing their part to help those who have a tough go but, again, this is not the point of this thread and has no relationship to what might be happening in the upper atmosphere.
My only suggestion to you now is that you should stop insulting those of us who do have college degrees and do understand the scientific method and statistics. We get it loud and clear that you don’t respect our methods and that you are afraid of having to pay more for your fuel. Lots of people feel this way but it doesn’t change what appears to be happening with the climate. Suffering is endemic to human beings’ relatively short history and that isn’t going to change. But we might be able to use our large brains to reduce the suffering. Is that really as pathetic as you keep asserting it is?
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:18am PT
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I did assume that even if you did have a college degree, it was not in anything that involved serious quantitiative training. From what you've listed, my assumption is correct.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:25am PT
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The Chief is here. What are you even doing here anymore, Ed? I can't take it. It's like arguing with a child.
Gotta get back to working logs. You know, being elite and all that. I'm moving states as we speak.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:31am PT
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I move logs at about 9am, every day. Goes well, usually if I have a coffee or some broccoli the night before.
(I hope I didn't violate the sanctity of this discussion with potty talk, but it seemed like a good place for it)
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bobinc
Trad climber
Portland, Or
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Nov 14, 2012 - 12:37am PT
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Chief, you know way more than most about fire suppression on air craft carrier decks. You know way more than most about SAR and providing EMT services. That's not the point in this thread.
Neither is the point that you are indeed a climate change skeptic. We're clear on that.
But why do you think being an expert in some things makes you an expert in others?
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Degaine
climber
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Nov 14, 2012 - 01:48am PT
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The Chief wrote:
I do claim to be skeptic/denier in AGW and defend it as expertly as I did defending this nation.
We'll that's where we disagree. I'm a skeptic of the skeptics, and I've read no post of yours in this 6654 post thread that you've expertly defended or argued the skeptic/denier side in the discussion on AGW. Your posts read like copy/pastes of talking points you picked up from somewhere else.
Your posts also read like dogma, and you argue in the same dogmatic, elitist, know-it-all manner that you accuse and criticize those with whom you disagree for doing.
The only thing you've proved in this thread is that you are an expert troll, and for that I say, well done sir! Well done!
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