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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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contributes absolutely zero to mankind other than the feces that comes outta his mouth and ass.
I guess the stint as permanent latrine orderly has stuck with you. Still fixed on feces I see. Everything starts to look kinda shitty when you've spent your life in the toilet.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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As an exercise, students in one of my classes tried predicting the Nov 6 results for New Hampshire, based on an Sep 28-Oct 6 telephone poll of 590 people. The poll of 590 people got these results:
Romney, 38.2%
Obama, 43.9%
undecided, 16.3%
For a simple guess, assume that voters who were "undecided" in early October split randomly, as if flipping a coin, between Romney and Obama. Then if those already favoring one candidate stand firm, we get this prediction:
Romney, 38.2 + 16.3/2 = 46.35%
Obama, 43.9 + 16.3/2 = 52.05%
Actual results based on 703,444 votes turned out surprisingly close to the prediction:
Romney, 46.44%
Obama, 52.22%
Pollsters face a harsh reality test around election time. This particular poll came through pretty well.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 8, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
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And then here is this wonderful modern apparatus known as the "Soccer Mom" bus or in plain language, an SUV!
Nice pic of my good buddy Bob there The Chief.
But I got news for you. That ain't a SUV.
But I wouldn't expect somebody like you to actually care about details.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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his of course originates from your personal experience...
Yes indeed, the rather unpleasant experience of running into the chief toilet troll. Can we get you an air hose, it must be hard to breathe down there.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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The Chief, you need to read a post.
You said climate had changed millions of times.
I said that it wasn't millions, but it has happened so many times that it defines the rock record.
Yep. The rock record is utterly riddled with cycles of eustatic sea level change. As I said recently, it totally defines sequence stratigraphy.
It hasn't changed MILLIONS of times. It might be closer to fifty or so big events with a few thousand smaller events thrown in.
Also, the planet as we know it has not always been the case. The paleo-atmosphere used to be rich in CO2 until life showed up. Without life, oxygen would be gone really quickly in geologic time. Oxygen wants to stick to everything.
That is why science fiction movies are nuts. To have O2, you pretty much need life. So if you land on an O2 rich planet, it is reasonably safe to assume that life exists, or some very odd chemistry.
I need to post some links to articles on stomata density in Gingko leaves. There are a number of ways to measure paleoclimate.
So I hate it when a sci fi movie has oxygen atmospheres everywhere. That is right up there with assuming everything is one gee.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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This was such an awesome beach once.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Chief, I was agreeing with you, but just sorting out the record a little.
You are too foolish to even realize that.
Sequence Stratigraphy is a way to sort out rock strata based on high and low stands of sea level, most of which are eustatic, meaning global. The only mechanism for worldwide sea level change of that amount is melting and freezing of ice...."ice ages" if you will.
The Earth has been through many of them, but not millions.
The rock record goes back billions of years. Oddly, most of the older rocks are easier to date, in the sense that you are usually looking at an igneous rock and have some zircons to play with. U-Pb dating of fluid inclusions in zircon crystals is very precise in the right hands.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 8, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
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I have found that I enjoy reading this thread again when I scroll past The Chief's posts.
I find that when I read even a couple of his sentences, I begin to get irritated at his inability to have even a basic civil discussion.
Y'all should try it--ignore The Chief and get on with life.
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Chief,
Noticed you deleted a couple postings on “Honor and Integrity personified” about your PTSD, Why? Just wondering?
I notice you wake up, start postings before 06:00 hours even at 05:00, sometimes a little after, then you sign off around 22:00 but have gone past 23:00, you are 24/7 on the this site day after day.
Nothing wrong with that a lot do; no biggie.
Just an observation, I could be wrong just forecasting. Maybe you are in a wheelchair and cannot move.
Are you releasing your anger on this site to help you cope with your disorder; your group therapy not working? What do you talk about: The idiots here on ST not agreeing with you? Do have that feeling you need to take command.
You posted: “It is now very obvious why you are constantly here on ST yaking your frustrations.
“ You definitely DO NOT wear the pants nor run the show in your relationship... SPW'd!”
Relationship problems? [Which is none of my business] but you posted then deleted it when you said you had the disorder; something about your %%^& wife knowing about it. Do you ever get the chance to communicate with her or even have dinner together.
Look yourself in the mirror do you see somebody there or is it a reflection of someone past. The above sounds like you. Good example with someone with disorder problems.
Short term memories lost? You front brain begins to shrink looks like you are already there. Sorry for your wife since you run the show; do you run hers as well.
Will wait for your forcast probably will not be a happy one.
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Lennox
climber
just southwest of the center of the universe
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No The Chief, the question is, do you even read what you post?
Nov 8, 2012 - 04:13pm PT
The Chief, if you can't admit you are wrong on this piddly talkin' out your ass, millions of climate change events thing, there is absolutely no hope for you.
http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/earth-s-earliest-climate-24206248
Do you even read what you post.... NOT!
Our Earliest Climate Record
From the Isua terrane at 3.7 Bya, we can fast-forward about 500 million years to South Africa, where the oldest preserved emergent crust — still outcropping today in the Barberton Greenstone Belt, near Swaziland — was splashed with rain, traversed by rivers, and colonized by microbial mats more than 3.2 Bya. Together with the Pilbara block in Western Australia, these rocks are our oldest subaerial deposits, our oldest direct evidence of interactions between the atmosphere and geosphere. The rocks are, therefore, our oldest record of climate.
What do the Barberton rocks tell us about surface temperature? First, there is no evidence of deposition or erosion by glaciers — no poorly-sorted till, dropstones, or glacial striations on bedrock. Second, there is ample evidence of deposition by liquid water — wave ripples in sandstone, sandstone-shale couplets deposited by tides, dune crossbeds built by storm waves, and well-rounded cobbles transported by rivers (Figure 3). From this evidence of freely moving liquid water, we can safely presume that surface temperatures were somewhere between 0–100°C. We already know there was freely moving water back at 3.7 Bya from the marine sedimentary rocks of the Isua terrane. So what new information do the Barberton and Pilbara terranes offer us?
http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/earth-s-earliest-climate-24206248
In other words.. don't know.
From, " So what new information do the Barberton and Pilbara terranes offer us?", in that link, scroll past the pretty pictures and continue reading about climate 3.2 billion years ago, dimwit.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Now, to even state that it was science that got Obama re-elected is just plain arrogance.
That's not in any way, shape or form what was said. What was said was that Nate Silver, using science, predicted the results of peoples' voting bang on.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Reason...
No, actually the reason is because Alaska is already seeing the effects of climate change and the state government has to plan for a very different future.
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mountainlion
Trad climber
California
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Chief thanks for your service. I respect your climbing obviously you kick ass. If I needed someone to defend the weak and powerless or go deep in the back country I'm sure your someone valuable to have around. As far as scientific analysis goes I'm going to trust the professionals who have that expertise: Ed, Dr. F, Base104, etc.
I'm in the Philippines now and was able to climb this last weekend with a Brit who is a civil engineer who is working on the Philippine water system. He told me it is a fact that the water level is rising. They measure it and are planning for it. Something about salt water not being drinkable, and needing to be kept separate from fresh water.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Only an idiot would stop the research - the research improves our resolution on where likely impacts are going to be, i.e. where and how to allocate mitigation resources. Ditto on the 'solutions' front. Always amazing to hear people advocate for deliberate blinding and willful ignorance.
Let's take down the the milsat program too while we're at it - don't need'em what with your spidery sense and all.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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I'm just wondered [sic] what Science will be pondering in the morning. Will he still love me tomorrow.
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 10, 2012 - 12:15am PT
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Regardless of what happens on earth, mankind will adapt. Ugly, I know.
Certain groups are trying to use this presumed set of climactic events to generate revenue in the form of a carbon tax to fund their flawed and misguided programs. There's corruption in this system and we shouldn't fall for it. There are better ways to do this.
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 10, 2012 - 12:30am PT
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Ed, do you agree that a carbon tax is a tax on production? You're asking companies to severely slow down what they make. That defies most current business models. Only by lowering production with a majority of manufacturing processes now available can you lower CO2 from fossil fuel combustion.
Sequestration could work with scrubbers but we'll have giant piles of carbonic acid salts. Is that okay? I've seen gypsum piles much bigger than the levees along the Mississippi. No one seems to care as long as it's covered with grass sod to keep fugitive dust down.
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 10, 2012 - 12:51am PT
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Unfortunately, that is an artificial control on energy usage. And there's no enforcement on countries that won't participate. The unlevel playing field with regard to air quality regulations is part of what's killing our manufacturing sector. Fossil fuels are still so abundant, they're cheaper relative to alternatives. The technology just isn't there yet even with subsidies. Not saying fossil fuels aren't subsidized.
Do you really believe what ExxonMobil says?
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Mimi
climber
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Nov 10, 2012 - 12:56am PT
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The current public isn't educated enough to successfully operate the various alternatives. Let's knot forget that.
Yeah, but how can we really weigh these costs? It's all speculative. We know CO2 is +300 ppm in the atmosphere and higher than nearly ever. But we aren't quite sure what that means down the road. The models are not definitive. Sandy certainly was a serious wake up call for the eastern seaboard. Seawall around southern Manhattan?
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