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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Apr 20, 2019 - 02:03pm PT
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I have now deleted a lot of articles - many Bonatti, Buhl, Desmaison, Destivelle, Edlinger, Heckmair, Hill, Kurtyka, Grandes Jorasses, Fontainebleau, Welsh climbing and so on. This has left some threads in a poor condition...
In the future we will have a copyrighted history owned by the Trumps, Berlusconis, Putins and Kim Jong Uns of the world. Everyone posting outside copyrighted history will be followed by their lawyers and lose in court... The media will be their choirboys and -girls...
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Apr 20, 2019 - 02:07pm PT
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I'm ok with people using noms de plume. Sometimes there's good reason for doing so.
I totally agree! My point is only that the "handles" be inexorably linked to verified personal information (such as what needing to pay with a credit card would provide). I think that we're saying the same thing.
But it sounds just upthread like Chris is not interested in monetizing this site in the way that would be necessary to make it a viable archive.
The big hurdle to starting up a new site on a subscription model is that it doesn't have the name/reputation/traffic to start up on that model. You can monetize a site like SuperTopo in ways that you can't effectively with a brand new site.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 20, 2019 - 02:36pm PT
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Man, all of this is about as disillusioning as C4 going into a lottery system.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Outside the Asylum
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Apr 20, 2019 - 02:41pm PT
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The announcement said that they'd try a lottery system, from late May to early September. When most occupants of Camp 4 are the general public. It seems worth their giving a try, although I suggest that it include at least some period when most occupants are climbers, to see how it works with that user group.
The bigger issue, as John Eleazarian regularly reminds us, is that there is 50% as much camping on the Valley floor now as there was in 1996.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Apr 20, 2019 - 02:44pm PT
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Totally agree, Anders!
Tarbuster, you the Dude!!! Thanks for the link. For obvious reasons it has a special place in my heart as does Your Tuolumne Thread. Is that saved?
apogee, maybe part is due to the fact that despite our crazy threads, the threads with fantastic content have multiplied greatly here on ST. We need to grow with it. I don't have the skills to set up a new site for climbing history, but someone here is and I know many of us would help.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Apr 20, 2019 - 03:47pm PT
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I deleted 24 photos out of 391...
Had some nice memories of climbing trips with friends as I was scrolling through.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Apr 20, 2019 - 03:52pm PT
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You guys are vastly underestimating the man-years it took to build this site and the world-wide reach it's attained and what that's brought to the forum.
When piquaclimber's thread reached 1000 posts, it was such a challenge, such a big deal, now we have several threads 20x that. That volume and reach is where the real history has come from.
Some PDF's of the past will get linked to at some point and that will be that.
There are plenty of forums as an example that require an admin approval for a user name. Discussions there are generally a bore.
Nobody is going to give up a CC nor even pay money.
What makes things lively and relevant is an ability for everyone to speak their minds w/o concern for getting e-stalked.
I've been on the net longer than most, and I've seen it all over the years, up to and including a user getting punched out in front of their own house by someone they didn't know.
Piquaclimber, for example, received personal threats against him and his family for his desert TR's showing routes people didn't want everyone to see - and thus he is no longer here - at least not that I know of...! If it can happen to someone that kind and considerate, it can happen to anyone else with a real and unique voice.
True trolls, really, the Burch's of this world, are generally a minor issue.
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A Essex
climber
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Apr 20, 2019 - 04:41pm PT
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don't underestimate Burchy, that dude has the crazy eye
can't REI or Pattagucci buy this place, to deal with the legal this and that?
How does MP function differently, you can post copyrighted material there? memes?
sorry Mad, you make a good case, but I don't see the ST demographic paying $5 a month and verification of personage for a glorified Reddit page.
moving everything 'historical' to Wiki seems like an easy solution, then find a suitable platform forum, paid through targeted advertising, to discuss, blather, pontificate and troll until your fingers fall off
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Apr 20, 2019 - 05:37pm PT
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Please refer to “Introduction” thread for “therapy”.
Peace
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 20, 2019 - 05:52pm PT
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Well ,you really touched on something Marlow.
When talking with Thom the other day of all this, I told folks upthread of some of the freedom going away from litigation such as what is alleged here.
With Facebook you lose the copyright of photos uploaded to folks pages.
Facebook actually owns that once uploaded. Now just imagine that FB could hunt people down who shared your original image. Litigation ensues.
2019.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Apr 20, 2019 - 06:44pm PT
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Damn, Anders:
That short piece you just you wrote was really good!
Let's relax for a spell.
It is Saturday, after all, and Lisa and I just got back from our weekly picnic in Colorado's Golden Gate State Park:
'Cuz – let's remember, this is what brings us all together!
Chicago – Saturday in the Park
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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ron gomez
Trad climber
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Apr 20, 2019 - 06:49pm PT
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Yeah, someone one FB got all pissed off taking a photo they are in but not owning rights to and using it. A joke was made about it in reference to this pile of junk....and butt hurtery abound! I could care less who uses my stuff, my LIFE doesn't hinge on my photos, but if you can’t take a joke...a ribbing....oh well. I’ll move on, no harm, no foul...live in the past
Peace
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Apr 20, 2019 - 07:30pm PT
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Well that's just silly and clueless.
If people didn't want you to inline their youtube video, they can set a setting that allows one to view only on youtube.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Apr 20, 2019 - 08:04pm PT
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Marlow said,
I have now deleted a lot of articles - many Bonatti, Buhl, Desmaison, Destivelle, Edlinger, Heckmair, Hill, Kurtyka, Grandes Jorasses, Fontainebleau, Welsh climbing and so on. This has left some threads in a poor condition...
It's a damn shame you had to delete all that stuff.
I can offer that I did save your thread, L'Equipement de l'Alpiniste, on 4-17-19, in two different formats.
Please e-mail me at my Gmail account: rcmcclenahan, and I will put both copies in dropbox for you.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Apr 20, 2019 - 08:07pm PT
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If people didn't want you to inline their youtube video, they can set a setting that allows one to view only on youtube.
Someone has the thinking cap on
But if they did not know or forgot .....
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Apr 20, 2019 - 08:18pm PT
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This is bullsh#t. Why would you post a youtube video if you didn't want it to be seen? The more links the merrier I would surmise.
Edited to add: ST went about this really, really poorly. If there was an issue why was it not talked about before all the deletions, allowing people to save or modify things? Pretty piss poor thinking IMHO. No, no warning just boom.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Apr 20, 2019 - 08:24pm PT
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Yeah, well:
(It is of course, Bullshit)
I just told RJ a couple days ago to delete all my 709 photos on the Supertopo server. Except my avatar.
It was just too painful, and too much work to go through it. Frankly, half of that was copyright infringement, mostly racecars pulled from Google image searches. And a smattering of other stuff that was my own, that I don't want to think about. (And locker memes, created by himself and Cozmic. But I have all that on hard drive.)
What the hell. I still have 6100+ images hanging about in links from my photobucket account!
You know, it ain't no big deal overall. Okay, I should NOT make light of it.
But you know, we all just need to get outside and have a few glasses of wine with someone we love, and contemplative the view.
Maybe take some pictures. We'll get through this!
Yours,
– Roy Boy,
The Cowboy Boy Toy of Joy.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Apr 20, 2019 - 08:34pm PT
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Okay, JLP:
Just getting back to you now. It's been a busy day. I'm sure you understand.
So I saved a PDF of this exact page, and you are correct: my live link to that YouTube video several posts up works straight out of PDF!
But my recollection is that things like live YouTube videos don't work in that format. Got more work to do. Will advise.
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Marlow: I regret to inform you that I did NOT save the jazz thread.
But all the links still work, so we have that going on.
I would LOVE to create a playlist off of that thread.
Truly, artistically, this is my current grail from everything we've been doing on the forum, excepting of course, all of your historical stuff.
But as I'm sure I've said to you before: that jazz thread has been a lifeline for me.
 Thank you.
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jogill
climber
Colorado
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Apr 20, 2019 - 08:34pm PT
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"moving everything 'historical' to Wiki seems like an easy solution"
Not really. An "historical" event for Wiki needs to have been newsworthy to the extent magazine articles, newspapers, books, commercial videos, etc. reference it. A past summer gathering at City of Rocks, e.g., would probably be rejected. Not everything historical is of sufficient importance.
Better to support Steve's site.
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Tarbuster
climber
right here, right now
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Apr 20, 2019 - 08:35pm PT
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^^^Exactly so.
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