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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 18, 2017 - 02:49pm PT
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*Trump was warned by Sally Yates, STRONGLY, about M Flynn.
*Flynn himself warned the White House that he was under Federal investigation for his ties to Turkey.
*President Obama warned Trump personally, after the election, about Flynn.
Trump hired him anyway.
What a twit.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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May 18, 2017 - 04:16pm PT
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The Russian's have done their job
destabilize our Democracy
Trump was the obvious way to make that happen
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monolith
climber
state of being
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May 18, 2017 - 04:48pm PT
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Trumps going down. Not good for his brand. Poor Ivanka. Who would wear her collection now?
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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May 18, 2017 - 05:26pm PT
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House Majority Leader McCarthy told colleagues in 2016: ‘I think Putin pays’ Trump
Kevin McCarthy made the politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill in June 2016 with his fellow GOP leaders. House Speaker Paul D. Ryan interjected and stopped the conversation from exploring McCarthy’s assertion, saying: “No leaks. ... This is how we know we’re a real family here.”
The best part is that before publishing the account, the reporter asked Ryan and McCarthy to comment. Both denied the conversation ever happened.
The reporter called both back for confirmation, and got the same answer. No such conversation happened.
Then the reporter called back again with the information that he had listened to a tape of the exchange.
Caught in the lie, they claimed it was a joke. The reporter said it didn't sound like one.
Cell phones are a wonderful tool.
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WBraun
climber
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May 18, 2017 - 05:33pm PT
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Russians haven't done sh!t to you stoopid brainwashed idiots who are no better than Trump .....
It's so scary to see how stoopid and brainwashed you people really are here in America.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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May 18, 2017 - 05:48pm PT
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The republicans are faced with getting rid of Trump now, and maybe getting 6-8 months of semi normality under Pence before the mid terms, or riding the current shitshow to its logical conclusion (impeachment, removal, or just bogged down in incompetence). I'd probably take my chances with the first option.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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May 18, 2017 - 07:20pm PT
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WBraun... Quit stalking us stoopid brainwashed crankloons...
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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May 18, 2017 - 07:22pm PT
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Time to get this thread a buddy bench. Trump could of used one 65 years ago...because everyone needs a true friend.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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May 18, 2017 - 07:29pm PT
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The republicans are faced with getting rid of Trump now, and maybe getting 6-8 months of semi normality under Pence before the mid terms, or riding the current shitshow to its logical conclusion (impeachment, removal, or just bogged down in incompetence). I'd probably take my chances with the first option.
I think that it's politically in their best interest to delay the inevitable. Put Pence in charge now and he'll have time to be blamed for anything that happens up to Nov 2018. Keep Trump in place until the primaries, then take all the wind out of the democrat sails when Trump discovers a special rare medical condition that forces him to relinquish the post.
My money says Trump can't last nearly that long. Then I don't know what scares me more, a disgruntled Trump teaming up with a bunch of armed conspiracy nuts, or the religious zealot who will take his place.
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AP
Trad climber
Calgary
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May 18, 2017 - 08:48pm PT
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It is time to initiate the Basil Fawlty Award for the person who digs himself deeper every time he opens his mouth or Twitter account.
My nominee?
You will have to guess
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JC Marin
Trad climber
CA
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May 18, 2017 - 10:28pm PT
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Is America great again...or what?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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May 19, 2017 - 08:58am PT
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Well ... Thank all of you "political experts" for your keen insight.
It's all the same sort of gibberish and groundless speculation that you all tossed out prior to Hillery's guaranteed "Victory"..... So lets just see how it goes.
Yes... lets get started on the mid-terms.... democratic landslide????--somehow I think its highly unlikely.
But we will see.
well back to work... happy Friday
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - May 19, 2017 - 09:55am PT
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I too think that Trump is bad for our country. But he is just an ugly symptom of a deeper problem. Don't forget that roughly half the voters in America thought he was the least evil option. What does that say about how our government is meeting the needs of the people?
The growing divide between rich and poor, privileged and deprived, will exacerbate the ping-pong effect of a dissatisfied electorate voting for the opposite of what's in power at every opportunity.
I don't think Bernie Sanders is a human on a pedestal or someone who should be worshipped or blindly followed, but I think he is the only one who put his finger on the pulse of what is wrong with our country, and had an inclusive vision to make it better for everyone, including the people to whom he didn't effectively target his message.
I'm concerned that the main current of the Democratic Party will seize on the small-minded vengeance and bloodletting and lose sight of the core issues and policies that make it, in my mind, a more effective path (of the two biggest parties) to happiness for the most people in our country.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Portland Oregon
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May 19, 2017 - 01:13pm PT
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Witches are nasty women
Stop it.
You'll make the munchkins laugh again.
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Norton
Social climber
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May 19, 2017 - 02:54pm PT
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“The dominant reaction to Trump right now is mockery,” Jacob Heilbrunn, the editor of the conservative journal the National Interest, told the meeting at the German Foreign Office here while moderating a panel on Trump’s foreign policy that dealt heavily on the difficulty of divining an actual policy amid the spectacle. Heilbrunn, whose publication hosted Trump’s inaugural foreign policy speech in Washington during last year’s campaign, used the ‘L’ word too. “The Trump administration is becoming an international laughingstock.” Michael Werz, a German expert from the liberal U.S. think tank Center for American Progress, agreed, adding he was struck by “how rapidly the American brand is depreciating over the last 20 weeks.”
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Norton
Social climber
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May 19, 2017 - 03:01pm PT
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"Guyman supporting Trump?
I don't think so."...
really? you have not been following the various political threads then
Guyman along with others such as Cosmic, as unapologetically pro Trump
Guyman is so irritated with all the negative, anti Trump postings on this thread that lately he has posted in support of Trump and just can't seem to understand why Trump's behavior as President should bother anyone, because according to guyman he is doing such a good job
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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May 19, 2017 - 04:36pm PT
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Don't know what to tell you moose.
Donald Trump is exactly the sort of wrench I wanted tossed into the great big stinking machine.
Exactly
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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May 19, 2017 - 04:52pm PT
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I just talked to a friend in Oregon. She retired early, and got Obamacare. It is about the same as my employer healthcare as to cost: $425.00/month, and she said it has been great healthcare.
People like her or me, a self employed person, find it almost impossible to find decent insurance. Especially if you have a pre-existing condition. She had a stroke once, and was lucky that it didn't cause any damage. Now she has to carry that around for the rest of her life, even though her blood pressure is low, and she lives a very healthy lifestyle.
Trumpcare is scary. State's can decide about pre-existing conditions and other things. He had to make it fit the Freedom Caucus to pass in Congress.
You can be certain that the Senate will totally re-write the bill before it comes back to conference.
As to pre-existing conditions, the older you get, the more likely that you will have one, even if it doesn't cost your provider a dime.
The real scandal is that American healthcare costs are double what they are in the developed world, it is in no way a free market, and there is nothing to hold costs down. I had to go to the ER with super low blood pressure last year. They gave me a bag of IV fluids, and my BP came up, as it always does by late morning. I walked 4 miles home in 100 degree heat after only 2 hours in the ER.
I saw the statement of cost that they hit my insurance company for: 2200 dollars. For a bag of IV fluids and no other tests.
That is freaking insane. I broke a leg in the 80's, without insurance, and it cost me only 250 bucks. These days it would be 5000.00.
The lack of a free market has caused costs to spiral out of control. If there were some way to make it a free market, like, say, lumber, costs would plummet.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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May 19, 2017 - 04:56pm PT
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Another thing is the "provider write-off." Your insurance company gets billed, and the doc, pharmacy, or hospital, lowers the cost vastly..by around 60-70%. The insurance company is charged MUCH less than the full cost.
If you don't have insurance, you are on the hook for the full cost.
Healthcare costs are out of control because it isn't a free market in any way. Even conservatives, which love a free market, won't stop that. They take too much money from the healthcare industry to do anything.
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