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Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 15, 2010 - 04:29pm PT
Graniteclimber,

Dissent is Patriotic. We have a Constitutional Right to grieve our government and hold them to account for doing wrong. Anyone who says different is allowing the crimes and corruption to continue.

Or do you prefer to let high crimes and corruption to rule the day?

Try reading some Howard Zinn and learn what being a true Patriot is all about.

Telling the truth and not dishonestly debunking would be a really good start.

Baby steps.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati
Nov 15, 2010 - 04:36pm PT
Klimmer, read my posts on the waterboarding thread.

There is no crime here--only pictures of a contrail. You say it's from a missile, but all the evidence points to a jet being the most likely source.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 15, 2010 - 05:48pm PT
There is no crime here--only pictures of a contrail. You say it's from a missile, but all the evidence points to a jet being the most likely source.

Telling the truth would be a start.

It is easy to prove that it is a missile. The evidence all proves my points. But there are dishonest debunkers out there trying to spin the jet contrail story. Seems to me you easily fall into that category. I do think there are those who are now thinking jet contrail, but will look at all the evidence including the stereograms etc. and will come to the realization that I'm right and will then allow the real evidence to change their mind.

There are a lot of people out there so willing to blow smoke and debunk dishonestly. It is really very, very sad.

This sort of thing happens over and over again. Some people just can not face the fact that our government does sometimes lie and acts very dishonest. We shouldn't stand for this. What they do is a reflection of us.

There will be many others who will do the same work I've done and come to the same obvious undeniable conclusion. Our DoD knows, whether we shot it or another foreign Government did it. They knew day number one. Many in the intelligence world are saying the same thing. So when will Uncle Sam ever admit the truth about this missile? They will have to one day, when everyone else in the world already knows. Why should it take sooo long to tell the truth?

They need to tell the truth now. Many are going to do the easy science I have, and come to the overwhelming obvious truth.

All of the data lines up and points to just one event, a missile launch.


Edit:

Posting that personal information of another person without their permission is dishonest and immoral whether you think it is legal or not. You have a real problem with ethics. You should not have done that to Tony or anyone else for that matter. I know what I'm talking about. You know it has been done to me. I will not mention their names.
Gene

Social climber
Nov 15, 2010 - 05:54pm PT
Do missles spiral?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Nov 15, 2010 - 05:57pm PT
But there are dishonest debunkers out there trying to spin the jet contrail story.

What makes them dishonest? That they are disagreeing with you?

Your "case" that it is a missile is similar to Bush/Cheney's case that Iraq had missiles of mass destruction. Each is based on a pre-determined conclusion and all evidence contrary to that conclusion being discarded as false or disinformation.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 15, 2010 - 05:57pm PT
Pretty obvious answer to that question.

Google spiraling or spinning missiles and search for photos.

Prove it to yourself.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Nov 15, 2010 - 06:04pm PT
Not what appeared over the skies of Los Angeles.

Gene

Social climber
Nov 15, 2010 - 06:09pm PT
I am knott a scientist or rocketeer. But every video I have seen of a missle launch shows no spiraling or spinning at all. I thought those little fin thingies at the ass end of missles were to prevent that. Also, doesn't spinning/spiraling create more friction and thus limit the efficency of the projectile?

The real question, of course, is how did the camera man &/or pilot see spinning/spiraling at the distance involved in this instance, especially when the object was essentially back-lit?

g
monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 15, 2010 - 06:12pm PT
WBraun

climber
Nov 15, 2010 - 07:06pm PT
We saw mysterious roped missile going up the nose today.

Gene

Social climber
Nov 15, 2010 - 07:09pm PT
Werner,

Were they spiraling/spinning? LOL.

Thanks,
g
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Nov 15, 2010 - 07:20pm PT
Klimmer:

“Dissent is Patriotic”. Depends how far you take it.

You are only indoctrinating yourself into self-deception that will only intensify in the future.

Your observable behavior characteristics are making you a marker. What lies ahead? Hopefully a non-dangerous/destructive behavior, sad, hope you don’t take the next step.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 15, 2010 - 07:23pm PT
And this is how disinfo and dishonest debunking gets started and going with TPTB . . .



http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nationworld/stories/DN-missile_15nat.ART.State.Edition1.e26eea.html


Two airborne trails spur two very different tales

09:38 AM CST on Monday, November 15, 2010
Brian Stelter and William J. Broad, The New York Times

Gil Leyvas has been a photojournalist on board a television news helicopter for a decade. He has seen countless airplanes and their wispy contrails. What he saw – and recorded – near Los Angeles on Nov. 4 and 8 looked nothing like the trail from an airplane. It looked, to him, like the launching of a missile.

The first time, it looked like a far-off plume of smoke over the Pacific Ocean. The second time, it appeared to be rising into the air, a large vertical column set against the bright orange sky at sunset.

The sunset video piqued the attention of KCBS, the TV station Leyvas works for, and by dawn the next day, last Tuesday, news anchors were speaking of a "mystery missile," one that apparently posed no danger to Los Angeles but that baffled people who saw it. By the end of the day, the video had garnered worldwide attention, which the absence of an official government explanation magnified.

On Wednesday, about 30 hours after the "mystery missile" started attracting news media attention, a Pentagon spokesman said that "there is no evidence to suggest that this is anything else other than a condensation trail from an aircraft." That day, news coverage took a sharp turn, with many reporters, and experts, concluding that what Leyvas had seen was an airplane or, barring that, an optical illusion. Some experts chastised media outlets for running with a half-baked, whole-hyped story.

John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, said from the start that the tape showed an airplane. In an interview, Pike, whose group in Alexandria, Va., analyzes space and military technologies, defended the military's evasiveness as resulting not from dissembling but from the difficulty of knowing with certainty what every part of its vast network was up to. Pike added that television news programs had acted irresponsibly in pushing the missile hypothesis without bothering to establish basic facts that would have quickly cleared up the riddle.

Scott Diener, news director at KCBS, said that the experts interviewed by KCBS on Tuesday night and Wednesday morning had leaned toward the missile hypothesis, spurring the initial "mystery missile" coverage. Asked why he thought there had been a change in the tone of the coverage, he surmised that the aircraft was "the explainable answer as opposed to the unexplainable."

Brian Stelter

and William J. Broad,

The New York Times






And that is how you bury the truth.
atchafalaya

climber
Babylon
Nov 15, 2010 - 07:26pm PT
you can't handle the truth.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Nov 15, 2010 - 07:31pm PT

Klimmer:

“Dissent is Patriotic”. Depends how far you take it.

You are only indoctrinating yourself into self-deception that will only intensify in the future.

Your observable behavior characteristics are making you a marker. What lies ahead? Hopefully a non-dangerous/destructive behavior, sad, hope you don’t take the next step.



Lost,


That is 100% USDA Bull Dung and you know it. Don't try saying anymore poop.

I'm as peaceful as Jesus, Ghandi, or Howard Zinn.

"Those who live by the Sword will die by the sword."

Matthew 5:9 (KJV)
"Blessed [are] the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."


We can and all should speak truth to power, in peace, no violence of any kind. The message is truth not violence.
monolith

climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 15, 2010 - 07:36pm PT
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Nov 15, 2010 - 07:40pm PT
Klimmer

"The truth"

This where it all starts or ends.
WBraun

climber
Nov 15, 2010 - 07:44pm PT
Monolith

I used top secret software to analyze your photo above, zoomed in, restructured it, and found this ...

graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Nov 15, 2010 - 07:46pm PT


Notice how the main "contrail" terminates in a large dark ark-shaped "cloud"--very similar to the ark on the moon. And "they" are trying to make us believe that it is a missile, or if not a missile, an airplane. Is this part of a disinformation campaign? LOL.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 15, 2010 - 07:46pm PT
Werner,
Gud job, but it ain't spinnin'!
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