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John M
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Oct 10, 2016 - 07:53pm PT
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Its always weird to come out of the back country. I always wanted to come out, get a meal and a shower. See some friends. Sleep in a comfortable bed. And then go right back out there. Because everyday life was just so different.
Okay.. I'm deleting my posts..
Have a nice break Jim
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nah000
climber
no/w/here
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Oct 10, 2016 - 07:55pm PT
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yeah, i don't get it either...
this was a few minutes ago so it will have changed already, but here's what i counted on the first page:
trip reports: 6
directly climbing related: 8
other asymmetrically climbing related: 4
total climbing: 18
political: 3
other off topic: 9
total off topic: 12
and i looked on the second page and it was similar... edit: and this was before a bunch of climbing related threads that just got bumped as well...
while it's too bad that donini and Hartouni [two of the posters that i make sure i don't just skim] feel otherwise, i honestly don't get it... sure the political stays high, but that's the nature of the beast. there are only so many times a person can say sweet post to a great tr, whereas the fate of the world hangs in the balance of those politard threads [hahahahaha...]
anyway, hope you guys reconsider, as while there is certainly some noise in the signal, i'd argue that the signal is actually quite strong, relative to some of the supertopo epochs i've seen over the years...
but if you need a break, fair enough... just hope you two come back eventually as your content is appreciated [and i'm confident i can speak for more than myself] by many of us.
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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Oct 10, 2016 - 11:25pm PT
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Hey Chris,
Thanks for reposting.
You know for me (and I think many) it is not so much the off topic post but abusive content that is a problem. Albeit political post tends to bring out ardent opinions. I try not to get too involved or take stuff personally. And its easy because I am selective what I open. I have yet to open the Trump thread and probably wont.
There is some great content that is not climbing related that I would not have seen else where. We have huge cross section of the population with a wide variety of taste and knowledge at out disposal. That is what makes Supertopo so cool and important.
Thats just my 2 cents
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 11, 2016 - 03:52am PT
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This sounds like a concerted plot/plan to maintain intellectual survival.
See you polite people later.
Thanks for your contributions.
Write when you get to Canada. :0)
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Oct 11, 2016 - 05:21am PT
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Time to catch up on some book reading here as well...
The Octopuses Arms
Swimming along,
The sea bass is near,
The tentacles ensnarl,
And strangulate a lonely crab,
"Goodbye crab,
I would have liked to have eaten you too."
-bushman
10/11/2016
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Oct 11, 2016 - 06:13am PT
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Lightweights!
And Ed,, it's going to suck worse without your guys contributions.
Gee thanks!
https://youtu.be/zyltK6pmJGg
[Click to View YouTube Video]
You guys are supposedly two of the designated grown ups here(?) no wonder this place is chaos!
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Oct 11, 2016 - 06:25am PT
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I'm with you Ed.....just back from seven weeks in the Karakorum and I have no interest at all in doing a TR that will instantly slip beneath the waves in a sea where egregious threads like "When Trump Wins" sail on ad nauseum.
For now, nearly all of the political blather is limited to just one thread. Even though it's a constant, it's just one thread.
I look forward to reading your trip report.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Oct 11, 2016 - 07:17am PT
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I enjoy trip reports, but I no longer climb owing to injuries. Consequently, climbing topics are not important to me anymore, and I realize there are more important things in life than climbing.
The problem of non climbing threads could have been remedied if Chris had divided the forum into climbing, and non climbing sections, as many of us had requested.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Oct 11, 2016 - 09:27am PT
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Thanks for maintaining this playground for us CMac!
I wonder how much crossover there is between the climbing threads and the political threads? Does the politard stuff spill over into the climbing threads, and pollute other people's experience of the forum?
Seems to me like we're each free to read and post to whichever threads most amuse us. IMHO, we're all mature enough to choose those threads and our reactions to them in a way that suits us. Do we need really need to blame CMac if we're unable to do so?
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Oct 11, 2016 - 11:49am PT
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Although I don't generally read the political threads and almost never respond to them I will argue that they are climbing related. We should have political threads and we should make them have good content so we can be at the table when necessary, advocate on our behalf, and stay informed.
The outcome of national and local elections can have direct bearings on:
1) Public lands -- we could lose important public lands to development
2) Access -- who has the right to recreate and who doesn't? Are motorized (drills) allowed?
3) Our basic economic viability to be able to recreate, have jobs that provide for gear and transportation, etc.
I can't help but think if climbers as a group were totally apathetic that would be not be a better alternative? Isn't that how we got Bush? We need to be involved and informed.
That said, having the same five people yell back and forth and call each other stupid is not productive and not informative. But those of you who have provided informative links and actual information, I'm grateful to you.
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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Oct 11, 2016 - 02:25pm PT
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I just checked and exactly half the threads on page one were climbing related. That's not bad for a climbers' site where many posters are over sixty. And, yes, the political threads become dominated by a few combatants and that is not healthy, but I agree with Mike that it is useful to have reasonable political discussions on ST.
As for boycotting ST on this issue, that's an individual decision. I remember sailing through my 60s and up to my mid 70s still climbing some and having considerable interest in what was happening with the young whippersnappers taking standards to incredible heights. But when I became sidelined permanently my interest in climbing drifted off and I was glad ST had a variety of topics. However, some here who reach that point will continue to be intrigued by climbing feats. We're individuals, after all.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Oct 11, 2016 - 06:53pm PT
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1 month posting moratorium by Hartouni and Donini...there goes 1/2 of the collective IQ & at least 1/3 of the collective cojones...
Politards Untie
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Oct 11, 2016 - 06:59pm PT
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Pretty unusual year for politics...
... the real discussions are also tilted in a different manner...
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i-b-goB
Social climber
Wise Acres
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Oct 11, 2016 - 07:00pm PT
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Anyone can click to the Prior 30 topics >> next page and look for the - [TR] next to the post?
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jstan
climber
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Oct 11, 2016 - 07:50pm PT
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Me?
I am here for Facelift.
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Bushman
climber
The state of quantum flux
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Oct 12, 2016 - 05:58am PT
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Non Climbing Report (OT)
38° today at Caples Lake with a high of 65° and expect high winds, otherwise clear but with afternoon clouds. Random weather postings here into the first of 2017.
The DOW is down 200.38 and the NASDAQ is down by 81.86.
Dog's feet continue to maintain their Fritos scent and climbing dreams recur nightly.
Book reports, poetry, angry squirrels, barking dogs, grazing rabbits, and the occasional fox or coyote sighting found here at random intervals.
Services will be held for 3 barn owls and 2 raccoons along the South Folsom Canal today at 5pm. Birdseed donations to the wild accepted.
Life continues on stranger than fiction and that's just in my neighborhood, more at eleven.
-bushman
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Majid_S
Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
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Oct 12, 2016 - 11:30am PT
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I feel bad for the climbing dudes that visit ST to asked about backing a jumar or how to bail on 3rd pitch......
ST is all about politics
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Oct 12, 2016 - 11:42am PT
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hey there say, ed, and jim... i look forward to your post, and trip reports, soon as you start...
:)
have not read or bumped up stuff for awhile...
been helping an older friend, so i jump-in-and-out...
missed a lot of good stories, too...
hang in here, hope to see and even help bump
up your neat adventures and those of everyone else...
there is always seasonal change, here, we all know that...
and--when the seasons are good, man oh man, they are:
great!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Oct 12, 2016 - 11:50am PT
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Majid, you're breaking my heart.
It is a CHARACTER BUILDING exercise, getting advice of almost any kind on the forum.
Waiting for the advice asked for, which comes sooner or later, shows their DOGGEDNESS and DETERMINATION.
I'm not saying that it takes a hell of a lot of determination to bail from anything, mind you.
Straight answers take some time around here, as you know.
Not everyone is geared for or ready for the ST EXPERIENCE.
At the present time, the Supertopo climbing topic to non-climbing topic ratio (STCTNCTR) is exactly .33
and is expected to remain so for the rest of the afternoon.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Oct 12, 2016 - 12:33pm PT
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The question is, should this be a discussion forum for climbers (who are human beings with interests united by climbing but ranging far beyond), or should this be just a source of climbing information?
If it was the latter, I wouldn't check here multiple times per day. I would only come here when planning a specific climb for which I wanted beta. Which is quite rare with my current life priorities.
I don't have time to invest in multiple Internet forum addictions, and this site gives me the right mix of climbing info, news commentary, comedy, drama, and human connection. If it became just about climbing, I might have to get addicted instead to Facebook or Reddit or something like that.
Honestly speaking, Supertopo has become outdated as a repository of route info given Mountain Project... but when it comes to human intelligence and insight, first hand accounts, this place is gold because of all the real players who visit the campfire. I think a dynamic that makes that happen is that these are all real people who value the mix of stuff to be found on Supertopo discussions. Making it a sterile climbing-only moderated place would drive away the participants. Be careful of throwing out the baby with the bath water.
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