"Sorry, the vagina's all rolled up. "

When confronted to prove the models were underage, LP balked. When confronted about her personal definition of porn vs the legal one, she balked again.

earlier sentence touches on what I mentioned earlier - strong reactions usually denote a history of sorts, often untoward, so sensitivity is indicated. It's mostly about the involuntary associations that accrue to a person, place or thing which determines our views; and everyone's past is not a glorious sunset. That's why a seemingly benign thread about a body part can trigger a Gorilla Monsoon of guff and emotional arcing.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we may not all agree on every fine point of this but I think it is vital we all continue to speak truth to power.

And on it continues, with take-down attempts at minimizing, taunting and flagrant as#@&%e behavior of "You're making a serious discussion? Here -let me throw in a shot of chicks having (photo-simulated) sex, to keep the creeps rallied and interested."


Jim Brennen is polite and makes his points without resorting to cheap tactics, but I do find his claim of "no prepubescent" as interesting. I believe that puberty in females is defined as commencing with the onset of the first menstruation. How can anyone here "know" those girls in the images at question had passed this stage in life?

Someone had claimed earlier that they backtracked the images, and came to model release disclosure information on the site. They did not provide links to that information. I wonder whether such a link on a website featuring images of young-in-appearance subjects in sexualized scenes is any more that a simple "stamp of authority" put up in case someone comes across the images, questions the legality so that they see this disclaimer and go "Okay, all good to go."

Would it be possible for that person to post the link to that web page? That would be beneficial, in my view.

I would also be interested in seeing those images "in context" to the site from which they came, out of curiosity. Were those the least suggestive images from the site? Were they the "front" images for a gateway to something else? Just wondering.


On another point, Largo wrote:

earlier sentence touches on what I mentioned earlier - strong reactions usually denote a history of sorts, often untoward, so sensitivity is indicated. It's mostly about the involuntary associations that accrue to a person, place or thing which determines our views; and everyone's past is not a glorious sunset. That's why a seemingly benign thread about a body part can trigger a Gorilla Monsoon of guff and emotional arcing.


Originally I thought he was suggesting people might consider being sensitive to others, considering the possibility that these images were upsetting for a very ugly reason, and one which most men here would loudly rail against if asked their opinion on sexual abuse.

But now I wonder if he wasn't just saying "Those expressing discomfort/upset are more sensitive because they were abused."


If the former - it goes worth saying that it has been well documented that at least 1 in 4 women in the US has been manipulated or forced into sex by the time she was 18 years of age. Personally, I think it is more than one in four. I'm not really even 100% sure I have ever met a woman who hasn't experienced that(though I certainly don't want any women I know of to believe that I look at them and think "probably has been." It's just an awareness that came to my mind as I was typing just now).

I don't mean to suggest anyone ought to "disclose" their freedom from being sexually abused as a minor, but I am pretty sure, in all the discussions I have had over the years, that I have never had a woman say they had made it to 18 without being molested.

I've seem plenty get uncomfortable in being part of a discussion of the matter, others listen silently and express sympathy with a look of fear in their eyes, others who tell me they don't remember many years of their childhood, including one who cannot recall ANYTHING between the years of 10 to 14), which can be an indication of trauma.


At any rate - if you KNOW that at least SOME of the women in this forum have had that trauma, is it too much to ask to behave with a modicum of respect? At least stop the taunting, trivializing, and gang-mentality intimidation baloney.

If the latter - yes. For me, at least, body memories are a "sensitivity issue" I experience(I assume most here know, or do now, that I am one of the "1 in 4" women). It was not the images in that thread that triggered them in me, but a post made by one person, intended to taunt t*r, and the subsequent(though small) gang pile-on in support, and the intimidation/minimization tactics that have been deployed against people in the various related threads. It probably comes from having my 8 year old sister come to me, as a nine year old, seeking help; disclosing that she had been forced to perform fellatio on a grown man. When I declared the action we'd take - what to me was the obvious thing to do (go to our mother) - she told me that he had "explained" how her mother wouldn't understand, would be jealous of her and might hate her out of that jealously. At least so long as she was alive. Because the knowledge of "their secret" would break her mother's heart, and that her mother would die from that heartbreak.

And for those who would suggest I seek professional help, believe me when I tell you I have been through quite a bit of it and have made extraordinary progress. That I am here telling you this small fraction of my story is one testament to that. To tell me "seek help" is nice - but in some cases I know what is actually going on with that suggestion. The person is uncomfortable with a woman who won't shut her mouth when politely asked, or the person is feeling discomfort themselves - which is their business and not mine.

Thank you to those who have refrained from hurling at me some of the sh#t they seem to have no problem hurling at others. But I must remind you - those men and women are "my sisters and brothers" and I will not let you shut us up.

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