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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 11:22pm PT
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No, I'm not saying it is just a gun problem. It is an easy-access-to-guns-without-proper-training-and/or-experience-and/or-ensurance-of-competence-before-legally-purchasing-a-gun problem.
Would you rather have your kids bring a couple throwing stars to class, or a couple guns? There will ALWAYS be "those kids" who get a hold of sh#t they shouldn't and take it places they shouldn't. What kind of sh#t do you want to put within easy grasp and what kind of sh#t do you want to work to keep out of their hands? Would you have been on lock down if a student had brought a throwing star?
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Mar 28, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
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Oh, let's see hedge, waaaaaaay back where you said trading the lives of people unwilling to surrender their guns should be treated as being in "armed insurrection" and that trading their lives for the lives of those 12000 or so who are/have been murdered would be a fair trade. But then, of course, you could have changed your mind by now. Although if that was the case, I expect you could have moved away from the 12000 vs 35 argument you keep repeating over and over
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But hey... thanks for being predictable. You know, I bet you can't climb for sh#t any more or you might actually post somewhere else besides the gun sandbox and the republican rhetoric page.
If you weren't such a smug as#@&%e with a superiority complex, you might even stand a chance of making a valid point.
Lucky for me, I actually have a real life.
Bye now, have fun repeating yourself.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 11:31pm PT
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This isn't "childish", Norton. It's US history.
oh my, but can't you shuck and jive
and completely miss the point
what is "childish" is YOUR asinine, constant "crowing" that because "liberals" won past social issue that it necessarily follows that they WILL "win" future ones
that kind of arrogance leads you to proclaim the 2nd Amendment will be repealed, in a ridiculously short time period, because 'liberals always win"
what is "childish" is YOUR using that exact presumption as a proof of some kind of moral superiority
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
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If you weren't such a smug as#@&%e with a superiority complex, you might even stand a chance of making a valid point.
that's YOU, Joe
an arrogant ass hole
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
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then you damn well ought to be ashamed of yourself and do something about it
like .......change
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 11:59pm PT
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well Joe, since you still can't see yourself as others see you
Oh, let's see hedge, waaaaaaay back where you said trading the lives of people unwilling to surrender their guns should be treated as being in "armed insurrection" and that trading their lives for the lives of those 12000 or so who are/have been murdered would be a fair trade.
go ahead, Joe
don't "back down"
just keep on being what you are and how others see you, an arrogant and smug horse's ass
there, feel better? be true to yourself and all that
you know Joe, it's not always about being "right', being a decent human in how your communicate to others is kind of a good thing, yet you prove over and over how obnoxious you are at that
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 29, 2013 - 12:15am PT
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Yeah I know that Ron.
I just love to give him sh!t just for sh!ts sake .....
:-)
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 29, 2013 - 12:19am PT
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He's not that dumb Joe.
He's a lot sharper than he reveals here.
Don't fall for it.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 29, 2013 - 12:19am PT
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 29, 2013 - 12:31am PT
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Actually Joe you are so lucky to have a guy Ron keeping the momentum of the topic going.
Who else the fuk would you debate besides maybe TGT?
LOL
Ron is blessing for these topics.
Don't be so hard on Ron.
He's a good human being besides all his faults.
Every one of us here have our own fuked up faults too ......
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hillrat
Trad climber
reno, nv
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Mar 29, 2013 - 12:43am PT
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group hug...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 29, 2013 - 11:28am PT
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Can we stop with all the ad hominems and get back to criticizing people who display a glaring lack critical thinking skills?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 29, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
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That is the only call LEOs need to make in Cali to discern the originating buyer of any gun.
Is that because ALL guns used in CA crimes were purchased in CA? Makes perfect sense.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Mar 29, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
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But I'm equally guilty of trying to pointlessly dance around the 2nd amendment...making me (almost) just as much of a nut.
As long as the 2nd exists, all debate about guns is bullshit - including Obama's and Biden's
The political courage and will needs to focus on changing the constitution, not on pointless gun laws
And eventually, it will.
Well that makes sense if you think laws requiring background checks, forbidding private ownership of machine guns, howitzers, etc. are unconstitutional. But most grown-ups recognize there are limitations on virtually every "right" in the constitution, even ones like freedom of speech. The laws that were struck down by the USSC basically completely outlawed types of guns commonly and historically used for self-defense, and the USSC said that's going too far. Still lots of room for reasonable regulation.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 29, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
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Ron, you really believe most guns used in crimes were originally (legally) purchased in that state? You really see no benefit to having a federal registry to help law enforcement expedite their search, rather than individually searching records from all 50 states?
The MAIN reason the feds want a fed registry is a place in which to shove their fingers.
Translation: the MAIN reason gun nuts are opposed to the ideas is because they think the government will come after their guns.
Christ, don't you just love this world of paranoia and outrageous speculation?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 29, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
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Gawd, that ^ is cute!
And when it comes to law abiding citizenry, it is no ones business what they have- be it fire arms, cars, bars or how much beer they can have per night.
Or chemical weapons or poppy plantations or meth distilleries or gang headquarters.
Also consider that thee has been talk in Washington if "civil unrest" for a few years now.
Please provide a reference to those talking about the type of "civil unrest" to which you refer. Because there has been talk of civil unrest for millenia... usually by extremists... often by religious extremists. I'm curious if the "talk" has become more dire since Obama was elected... or since the invasion of Tea Baggers. Please be specific... Inquiring Minds Like Me Want To Know.
so you tell me Wes: Fema grave sites coffins and liners, DHS, IRS, SS and many other agencies ordering massive amounts of hollow point ammo as well as urban assualt vehicles and the NDAA 2013 sections .. I ask you, what does all this indicate?
An impending invasion by Marxist dictators?
Do you not wonder a little about all of this?
Nope, not really. I've been out of the country before. I've been to train stations where uniformed military types patrol with fully auto machine guns. I understand that higher population density means more security is required. I understand that if any jackass with a clean record can EASILY arm themselves like the Aurora shooter or the fuks at Waco, etc, the government better come in with even more firepower to put a stop to it.
Ive heard rumor that Washington fully expects an economic disaster ahead and is preparing for that civil unrest they speak of
God forbid the government prepare for civil unrest/armed uprising with adequate equipment!
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 29, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
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Im not an extremist wes, nor are any of my close freinds. What we are is awake
I think that is what Charles Manson said too.
Mainstream medias are nothing but an insult and waste of time anymore
But they tell you about all those horrible killings in SF... otherwise you wouldn't know how bad inner city violence has become and how many guns everyone needs to protect themselves.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 29, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
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So, we are back to the US government invading...
Ron, seriously, if you want to discuss this sh#t you have to provide more than your opinion. You have to cite outside sources because when I try to figure out what you are talking about, I come up with stuff like this:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/48898365/ns/us_news-life/t/why-does-social-security-need-bullets/#.UVXwM1dvD9U
It ain't "millions" of hollow points, more like 174,000.
The agents carry guns and make arrests — 589 last year, Lasher said. They execute search warrants and respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees and customers.
Agents carry .357 caliber pistols, Lasher said. The bullets, which add up to about 590 per agent, are for the upcoming fiscal year. Most will be expended on the firing range.
How many rounds did you pop off at the range this year? How many when you were an LEO? I'm not a gun nut, but 590 rounds a year doesn't seem like that much if your job involves carrying a gun... once a month at the range, that's only 50 rounds a visit.
local leos can handle any actual arrests being made right? Or the FBI?
yeah, because they have plenty of free time for silly investigations of SS fraud?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 29, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
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Note, I said "stuff like this" indicating every source I looked at had similar information. Do you even look at multiple sources?
So your approach to a "discussion" is to offer never ending opinions supported by NO outside information, and then criticize the links provided by others... again with NO outside information?
So, give me a better source. Enlighten me.
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