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monolith
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Mar 28, 2013 - 05:50pm PT
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And since it's worse somewhere else, we shouldn't make changes here.
And just for you Anderson:
Equating a mother's care for a child to violent crime is funny as hell.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
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I was threatened with a chain saw once.
So what? I've been threatened with 4 guns, 2 bats, a few hammer, fists, a broom, a car, skateboards, and a fork. The ONLY ones that were likely to kill me from a split second lapse in judgement... the guns.
How hard is it to get away from someone with a chainsaw? I mean YOU did it, so it couldn't be THAT hard, right? I don't hear of many chainsaw murders.
WHY do YOU think the brady check is interested SPECIFICALLY in hispanics?
Just guessing here... maybe to cross reference names and sh#t with Mexican authorities?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
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Actually,
WHY does the form specifically ask if a gun buyer is LATINO or HISPANIC anyway?
WHY would it matter?
Hispanics who are US citizens own guns legally just like any other race or ethnicity.
So to me, the FFL form does seem to be discriminatory.
Here is what a PRO gun website says about it, and I think they bring up this point very well.
]Where previously the form asked a general question about the purchasers’ race (ethnicity), the section now requires Americans in the Hispanic community to designate themselves as such.
Curiously, the form’s “Race” section has been divided into two parts. Section 10a, now labeled “Ethnicity,” requires you to check off whether you’re “Hispanic or Latino” or “Not Hispanic or Latino.” The new 4473 document’s 10b section no longer includes Hispanics or Latinos as a race.
Boasting a US population density of 16.3%, Hispanics, in general, encompass a large portion of the gun owning community. Given this fact, the change, that went into effect early July with little to no press or fanfare, has left many gun owners baffled as to why the ATF is singling out Hispanics.
Evan Nappen, General Counsel of Pro-Gun New Hampshire, reported on the alteration as a blatant form of racism, asking, “What if the “ethnicity” question demanded “Jew or Not a Jew”? Would that “ethnicity” question be acceptable? Like the Hispanic/Latino question, it is offensive and not necessary. It has nothing whatsoever to do with one’s qualification to purchase a gun.”
Infowars’ Matt Williams asked a Houston ATF public relations spokesperson why the change had gone into effect and why it specifically targeted Hispanic and Latino Americans. The ATF told us the change had been implemented by White House order of the Obama Administration’s Office of Management and Budget and has been ordered across the board nationally to be carried with all federal agencies.
Further investigation provided no answers as to why the minority group has been singled out, and no conclusive evidence shows that any other ATF form, or government agency for that matter, has adopted the protocol. Even the form licensing home manufacture of
firearms/class 3 weapons (i.e. machine guns, suppressors, etc.) does not include this stipulation.[ /http://usahitman.com/arphgo/]
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monolith
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SF bay area
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Mar 28, 2013 - 05:55pm PT
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When people come here from third world countries, they are often in the lowest socio-economic groups here. They wind up in high population density areas, which is the single largest factor in murder rates.
I suppose since they love their children so much, then they must have a strong desire to be criminals even more. Anderson logic.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 05:58pm PT
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Do you think third world influences here are responsible for much of the homicides?
Not specifically "third world influences" but poverty certainly. That and the fact that anyone can easily send their nephews to the store to buy 2 guns a week.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
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we never needed DHS unmarked helos here in the past. We now have daily flights
Yeah, the world changes. Crazy eh? If you look back far enough we didn't need borders or border patrols because we didn't even have "Mexicans" here in the past.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 06:11pm PT
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Well it sure seems to me that the Obama administration agrees with Ron.
After all, they added the Hispanic/ Latino question to the FFL form.
Obama is clearly targeting Hispanics as border arrests and deportations are at the highest level in US history right now.
This proves Obama is a rascist, hates brown people.
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monolith
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SF bay area
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Mar 28, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
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Several people here on ST know me, Anderson. I don't know you. Should I conclude you are not real?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 06:22pm PT
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Good point on the letting go of low level detainees,
The House Republicans cut funding to that agency.
So unnecessary but they control all spending.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 06:28pm PT
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No Ron,
Repeat, the house Repubs controll ALL gov spending
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 28, 2013 - 06:45pm PT
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Anderson, google S-A-R-C-A-S-M.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 06:57pm PT
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So Obama comes up with dream acts and amnesties and the repubs wanted those jailed illegals freed? In other words, its a dem and repub thing?;-)
no Ron
President Obama did not "come up" with the Dream Act, it has been discussed for at least 30 years
He simply said that he would support such legislation IF congress passed it.
And no, President Obama did not "come up" with "amnesty".
Republican President REAGAN gave AMNESTY to 15 million illegals.
so, NO, it was a NOT a "dem or repub thing"
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
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How do stricter regulations on gun sales infringe on anyone's right to have or bear arms?
The fact that my local LEOs can do NOTHING about illegals being "known" gang members here until AFTER they commit a crime and get caught also tells me the real story
What is the REAL story Ron?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 07:19pm PT
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i was told it is current FED policies that prevent them from rounding up those illegal gang bagers and bussing them back over baja
You mean FED policies like...
In Yick Wo v. Hopkins, a case involving the rights of Chinese immigrants, the Court ruled that the 14th Amendment's statement, "Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws," applied to all persons "without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality," and to "an alien, who has entered the country, and has become subject in all respects to its jurisdiction, and a part of its population, although alleged to be illegally here."
Now if I was an illegal in mexico doing those crimes,, my head would be on a fence post and my ass would be planted sunny side up.
Yeah, those damn FED regulations really suck. We should be more like Mexico.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 28, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
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I don't know how anyone in their right mind would vote for Republicans to cut funding so that illegals are forced to be released.
And Ron?
Are you actually trying to criticize the Dream Act?
You DO know what it says don't you?
There just is no valid reason to not give children a path to citizenship. They are here anyway, and I want them paying taxes and reporting crime, not hiding in the shadows and not reporting crime for fear of being arrested.
Amnesty, the great Republican FAILURE. 15 million illegals given amnesty thanks to Republican Reagan.
But at least THIS time around, illegals will NOT be given amnesty. And they will not be "rounded up" like cattle and sent back to El Salvador or whatever. This time around it looks like both Repubs and Dems will get together and pass a bill that finally deals with all those people NOT paying taxes and reporting crimes. It will be tough, learn English, pay a fine, join the US military, get a college education, pass a civics test that 90% of Americans could not pass, and take years to go through it all.
You damn right this has to be dealt with, it's time. We need their tax dollars.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 07:21pm PT
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So more current policies trump the 14th amendment?
The Dream Act sounds like a good idea to me. Ron, you have any RELEVANT criticisms of the Dream Act... preferably based on facts and rooted in reality?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 07:28pm PT
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along with that we get a 65% serious crime ratio..
Why not limit gun purchases to ~ 1 or 2 a year, at least until we get the immigration thing under control? Surely it will reduce the flow of guns to criminals while still allowing responsible gun owners to purchase sufficient firepower to protect themselves.
What is a 65% serious crime ratio?
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
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Tell me why ANY "known" m s thirteen gang member should be allowed to stay here illegal or otherwise?
I don't think they should be allowed to stay. I think only those who are willing and determined to contribute to society should be allowed to stay. What do you suggest we do? Maybe some laws that make gang membership illegal in order to justify shipping them back or incarcerating them? Maybe just round up anyone who looks like they might be in said gang and ship them back?
What does gang membership have to do with being able to easily buy guns? You know the gangs are around. You have guns for self-protection. Do you need to run down to the gun store and buy a couple more a week depending on how many gang members you see on your way to the supermarket?
The black market is already flourishing... ask Chaz... mainly because anyone with a clean record can purchase 2 guns a week and sell them on the streets... EASY. NOT the case in England or ANY OTHER country with strict gun laws.
Prohibition of alcohol was an entirely different issue. Nobody was using alcohol specifically to kill others.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 07:52pm PT
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I in my simplistic view... But thats just me.
Yep. Luckily many Merkins realize it ain't that easy.
Maybe you should just get all Gran Torino on their asses...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 28, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
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I trust you. I'm sure you can just tell who's who and will only deal with those who pose a real problem. When you are done with that, maybe you could do something about the hippies and freaks and homos?
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