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crankster

Trad climber

No. Tahoe

Aug 28, 2015 - 12:19pm PT

I was visiting my daughter in Sac last night and stopped into the Pipeworks. Crowded as hell on a hot night, a lot of the focus on Alex Honnold quietly doing laps. Great way to stay in shape for outdoor adventures.

Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber

San Francisco

Aug 28, 2015 - 12:20pm PT

There are more male nurses now than in 1970s. Totally proves that the modern day males are sissies and are way less adventurous than women. This is the proof that we needed to support the "Modern women are more adventurous" quote, for which I am responsible. WINNING!

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Aug 28, 2015 - 12:20pm PT

cat t.

climber

california

Aug 28, 2015 - 12:28pm PT

I am still half-wondering if Kevin believes none of what he's said, and I'm just too earnest a person to understand that he is the most dedicated troll of all time.

Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber

San Francisco

Aug 28, 2015 - 01:05pm PT

Interesting to think about males and females as far as both the nature vs nurture. I believe both factors play a major role. While social gender roles and their influence on risk taking in both genders could be well understood, I think the nature role is a lot more intriguing.
It is a fact that females on average live longer than males. It is likely favorable for a female to live longer and produce more offsprings, from evolutionary point of view. It is not as important for a male to live longer because it does not take that long for conception. So I would thing evolutionary the hormonal differences of sexes would also play a role on risk taking. I am sure the nature did not design us this way because it knew it would matter how well we would deal with some stupid runout. First world entertainment.

This battle of wits with unarmed opponents is getting boring.

You guys should bang instead.. :)

viv.r.e

climber

Sacramento

Aug 28, 2015 - 01:08pm PT

TO THE LADY LURKERS: I know you are out there. I was one of you recently. Come and play—the water is nice and it’s fun (if pointless) to splash around.

@ Cat T, speaking of equality, ladies is trolls too, go and brush your shoulders off

Lol, Kev. Cue overly earnest and lengthy post to feed your inner troll.

I think if you scroll back to where I made the original statement hundreds of posts ago about the fact there would be more women doing FFAs/FAs you will see that your response then was very different. You apologized for what you said, and I’m not going to throw your words in your face. Having said that though, in return, please don’t put words in my mouth that I never said.

I’m never going to impress you with my climbing resume (probably a perma-noob), but I don’t think being able to do a one-armed pull-up off my pinky is a requirement to have a valid opinion. As one of my co-workers likes to say, opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one.

The women who would impress you aren’t even on this thread because they are out sending, which, I think we can also agree, neither of us is doing at the moment since there is good evidence we have been at computers, not climbing.

Last fall, I got to spend close to a month in the Sierra. I’m going talk about my woman feelz, not what the hell I was doing. There were times I was scared and pushed myself to my physical limit, and there were also days I spent half my time looking at wildflowers and skinny dipping. Through all of it though, I felt wild and untamed—free. Being in the mountains feels true.

I used to volunteer to bring people outside, and occasionally set up top-ropes for co-workers. There is something special about seeing someone backpack or climb outdoors for the first time (I guess this would be cherry poppin’ if I keep with the inappropriate analogies). People are capable of so much more than they realize. I’m always going to assume that a person, regardless of gender or background, is capable and has that wildness in them waiting. Even if they tell me they like lattes.

At least I got you to agree in a non-trolly moment that women will continue to trend upwards FAs/FFAs. I consider that progress.

Whelp, there goes my lunch break.

To put it in climbing terms, he's pumped and just grabbed a green camalot when he should have grabbed purple.

+1 Just grab the god-damn purple cam. You might as well put the green cam up your butt for the amount of good it is doing you right now.

viv.r.e

climber

Sacramento

Aug 28, 2015 - 01:29pm PT

No way Kev, my mother warned me about stranger danger. We still don't know what the fuq you were doing in your garage the other night. Troll you later.

overwatch

climber

Aug 28, 2015 - 04:35pm PT

Now this thread is getting somewhere.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Aug 28, 2015 - 04:44pm PT

Flaccid at a 0

Run-off-at-the-Lippia, please refrain from posting your medical test results here. Pics with your troll-like stature, disturbingly wide head, and varicose vein laden lower legs were bad enough (the muscle shirt was particularly nausea inducing).

A lot of fukin strawmen being built and burned in this thread. Well done on that count Crusher, is that gluten-free fair-trade, shade grown, organically sourced SNAG straw you spun them from?

And Jeebs, I thought you were off the booze? Your prior mutterings were far from clear, closer to what I hear from the schitzo case on the city bus. Expecting someone to decipher that gibberish is a bridge too far.

Kevin asserted that women are less adventurous in climbing, and the rise of gyms bringing a rise of women has made the climbing community in general less adventurous. Now you may argue that his metric - first ascents, isn't the right measure of adventurous...but you sad sack man-purse swinging clowns aren't doing that. You may argue whether the root cause is biological or societal, but you haven't hiked up your man-pris, put down your chamomile tea and done that either.

Instead you are off on some Prince Valiant wannabe routine of embracing your inner moon goddess and pretending everyone is equal, flinging accusations with no evidence, or building monumental strawmen (or strawwomen as the case may be).

So maybe ya'll should just toddle back to your drum circle, and hope that Lillith Hairylegs over there will swoon at your sensitive nature. And take those fukin Luna bars with you.

WBraun

climber

Aug 28, 2015 - 04:46pm PT

Hahaha good troll Kevin :-)

LOL that cheapus bonehead is way way too stupid serious.

cat t.

climber

california

Aug 28, 2015 - 05:02pm PT

Now you may argue that his metric - first ascents, isn't the right measure of adventurous...but you sad sack man-purse swinging clowns aren't doing that. You may argue whether the root cause is biological or societal, but you haven't hiked up your man-pris, put down your chamomile tea and done that either.

Read again: I think the chamomile tea wasn't just set down gently, it was aggressively tossed.

Those were exactly the things discussed, while Kevin did this:

overwatch

climber

Aug 28, 2015 - 05:12pm PT

Holy crap, leadumper that was great.

rbord

Boulder climber

atlanta

Aug 28, 2015 - 05:18pm PT

Lol! We used to have slavery but now we have man-purse swinging clowns. Oh well, I guess our 50 years of personal observations will have to substitute for intelligence :-)

Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber

San Francisco

Aug 28, 2015 - 05:36pm PT

Damn good bump of this thread (by me) before it died! WINNING! Again. Now I have sh#t to do on the way to climbing. See some incredibly entertaining posts already. By the time I return, this thread may either get deleted or grow into 1000s of posts, so please, save it for me someone!

Through all of it though, I felt wild and untamed—free. Being in the mountains feels true.

YES! THIS!!!

For a 'perma-noob' you know too well that the only thing that is real, is the PERSONAL experience that YOU get when you are running around the hills, cragging or whatever the f### you want to do out there. The climbing community, this forum, your best friends etc don't have any effect unless they are there. At times i enjoy the community, but honestly I am more of an antisocial animal that likes the feeling of exposure and solitude. To a degree. And its easy to find that, even now. Unless you want to have the nutcracker to yourself on the weekend. Blaming women for lame climbing is like blaming them for lame sex when your junk doesn't point upwards. Things change, mountains will stay the same...aside from that whole glacier melting thing and rock fall, but that's not the point...sky is the limit.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber

Livermore, CA

Aug 28, 2015 - 05:53pm PT

And take those fukin Luna bars with you.

ooops, I eat Lara bars... didn't know it mattered what bars you ate... it's all about the calories, right?

rbord

Boulder climber

atlanta

Aug 28, 2015 - 05:54pm PT

This battle of wits with unarmed opponents is getting boring.

The relentless attacks, ad hominem and otherwise ... show(s) that my opinion carries weight

Sure if we've been believing it for 50 years why stop now? Thanks for the fun :-)

viv.r.e

climber

Sacramento

Aug 28, 2015 - 06:44pm PT

http://www.arleneblum.com/t_shirts.html

Could you wear this t-shirt?

Cheers to all of you. I'm going to the mountains.

If this thread hasn't died by the time I get back, then I hope that there are more pics of women throwing down and men's calves. It's probably unlikely, but I can keep dreamin'...

Edit: post modified because it violated the principles of KISS.

Elcapinyoazz

Social climber

Joshua Tree

Aug 28, 2015 - 06:47pm PT

Here's a no sh#t story of an adventurous girl climber.

This young lady that I coach, a tweener at this point, goes up on a well-known SoCal 5.11 highball slab. A lot of people put a toprope on this thing, but she isn't messing with any rope bs, she's going to boulder it. And the second crux is the very last move, looking at about a 20' airball to the deck. That last move,for her height, is an all out slap/huck for the top.

So she sails through the tech crux at the bottom, walks the rest, and is staring at the last move. She tries a bunch of things hoping to find a way to make the move statically and can't, is getting pumped, and starts to downclimb. And she pitches, a spectacular windmilling, screaming, 15' ripper to the pads.

Now that would have been enough for most people for the day, and I have to admit on my onsight burn I climbed to the last move, wasn't 100% sure, and downclimbed back to the ground before going back up and sending it.

She walks around a few minutes to gather herself and announces "That was reaaaallly scary, but I'm going back up there!". And went back up, got to the last move, no hesitation, no second thoughts, full commitment huck for the top. Of course she stuck it, and it was one of the proudest things I saw that year.

But one little lady with a whole lotta go-for-it doesn't change the fact that Burchy and his modern day murse toting ilk are wearing their Hermes and Yves St Laurent neckerchiefs while toproping 15' 5.9 pebbles that we bouldered in tennis shoes in the 80s, and preening between burns so their creative facial hair will look just-so in the endless selfies. #Hardcore #they're-manpris-not-poofterpants, #shreddintha5.7gnarBrah

Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber

San Francisco

Aug 28, 2015 - 08:11pm PT

Of course she stuck it, and it was one of the proudest things I saw that year.

Maybe one day I can make you a Chai latte and take you climbing, so you could see what the word proud really means. When you see the rope going up a 100ft to the next anchor without a single piece of pro clipped in, maybe you will get a hint. But till than keep those stories to yourself so I don't choke on my beer - the chaser.

The Man