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donini
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Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 26, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
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If there was ever a dick to rip on it was Heston.....what a moron!
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 26, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
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The no-feudalists all drooling over themselves defending a moron who makes a living pretending to be an even bigger moron, when he's not busy supporting causes that really do kill children.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 27, 2013 - 11:28am PT
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I suppose we really need more of that hog wash right..?
At least Carrey's stuff is funny. Maybe we need more hog wash like "first he speaks for gun control, then he tries to buy ARs and such.. Now he brings his assualt beast to the public beach to run willy nilly."
Because not only is it far from funny, it directly conflicts with the available information.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 27, 2013 - 11:41am PT
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My impression is that if Carrey had done a video in lock step approval of the NRA stance of the 2nd amendment some on this site would herald him as the greatest comic actor of all time.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 27, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
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Heston also supported the gun control act of 1968.
And supported Goldwater, who opposed the civil rights act.
Never met the guy, but Carrey's skit was the funniest thing I've seen him do since Dumb and Dumber.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 27, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
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The Carey video which Hedge was having orgasms over is stupid and pointless. He ridicules rural Americans, but if he wanted to actually shine a light on gun violence he should have used rap music and gang bangers. Oh wait, then there would have been non-whites looking bad in the clip, and we can't have that can we? Then he ridicules Heston, a man who put his celebrity on the line for the cause of civil rights at a time when this did not come without risk.
And regarding Barry Goldwater and civil rights, as usual the truth is more complex than the sound bite version.
"... He got himself into political hot water, however, with his opposition to legislation that would eventually turn into the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Goldwater was a passionate Constitutionalist, who had supported the NAACP and had backed previous versions of civil rights legislation, but he opposed the 1964 bill because he believed it violated states’ rights to self-govern. His opposition earned him political support from conservative southern Democrats, but he was detested as a “racist” by many blacks and minorities."
Sucks to stand by your principles, doesn't it.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 27, 2013 - 02:12pm PT
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What's up Dave, do you have some sort of link set up so on the rare occasion that I post you get a notice? It's kind of like having a stalker..;-)
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 27, 2013 - 02:21pm PT
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Anderson wants us to live by his rules of political correctness.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 27, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
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Sucks to stand by your principles, doesn't it.
Only when your principles include allowing states to continue discrimination.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 27, 2013 - 02:47pm PT
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It does amaze me how the conservative angle often seems to be based on selective outrage.
Wow. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Oh shoot, I said black. Am I a racist? Oh sh#t, I said shoot. Am I a gun nut?
Suddenly it's wrong to criticize prominent political figures after they are dead ?
I hope nobody says anything negative about Hitler. That would be unfair.
Reduction to the absurd. Heston did his best to stand for what he thought was great about America, and stood proudly against racial discrimination. You are free to disagree with him about guns, but Carey, in his ridicule, has offended a lot of people. And comparing Heston to Hitler? Please.
Only when your principles include allowing states to continue discrimination.
Goldwater thought that the Civil Rights Act went beyond Federal powers in the constitution. I, personally, have a hard time finding the rightness of his position. However, he took this position while at the same time advocating for the cause of the NAACP and the civil rights cause. The complexity of his position and the apparent contradiction was too much for people to process, and still is it seems.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 27, 2013 - 03:05pm PT
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Goldwater thought that the Civil Rights Act went beyond Federal powers in the constitution.
You mean the part of the Constitution that says....
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
I can see how he might get that idea... it is a little arbitrarily worded... haha.
The complexity of his position and the apparent contradiction was too much for people to process, and still is it seems.
He was a politician who clearly twisted whatever he could in an attempt to get votes. I find it funny that conservatives don't hesitate to paint their folks as "complex" and somehow beyond our comprehension (hahaha) when they do it, but flip-floppers/etc when liberals do it.
Wake up! They are all politicians. You want to call Dems out on their apparent contradictions, you should be willing to call conservatives (yes, even dead conservatives) out on their similar bullsh#t. Otherwise you are a silly hypocrite.
Luckily the Merkin people saw through the bullshit and voted appropriately.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 27, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
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K, I'm not talking about you... I never was... I'm talking about Goldwater. It isn't all about you...jeesh!
:)
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 27, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
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K, I'm not talking about you... I never was... I'm talking about Goldwater. It isn't all about you...jeesh!
...You want to call Dems out on their apparent contradictions, you should be willing to call conservatives (yes, even dead conservatives) out on their similar bullsh#t. Otherwise you are a silly hypocrite.
Okay then. Somehow I got the wrong idea. Cheers..:-)
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 27, 2013 - 03:23pm PT
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Sorry, I was using the plural form of "you" referring to all conservatives. I'm in one of those hazy stream of consciousness states and things are coming out unparsed. It isn't the first time I have heard conservative views painted as just too complex for "us" to understand.
I guess I should have used "yous" or "yall."
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 27, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
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He might now...
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Mar 27, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
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I know for a fact that hockey pro Russ courtnal sold his home to Brit spears. Russ say's he don't like the children to grow up near armed guards so they move to the out skirts of west lake. So yeah armed cops can wear the heat.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 27, 2013 - 04:19pm PT
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The Neo-Feudalists believe that ony nobility grants the right to arms.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 27, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
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Okay guys, to begin with I have expressed no outrage, simply made observations. And yes I know some people who are offended by the sendup of Heston. Personally I don't find Carey's piece amusing, but if it floats your boat you can have it.
And I never said said texting while driving is "tantamount to murder." What I said was that texting while driving, or driving while otherwise impaired such as being drunk, is a conscious choice so if you kill someone as a result it is murder. I know a lot of folks would call it a simple accident. I see it differently since one persons death came about because another person chose to act illegally.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Mar 27, 2013 - 04:52pm PT
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Yeah Coz. I'm done (once again) with Hedges foolishness. My list of album credits as a recording engineers is more than 400, many of which were platinum hits by superstars. Most of these people, when they are out and about, have armed guards and many pack themselves. And the best security is rarely seen.
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