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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 9, 2017 - 09:57pm PT
By Michael Gerson Opinion writer October 9 at 7:32 PM


Who is left to defend the simple, often admirable, sometimes disappointing American experience?

Our politics seems deeply divided between those who think the country is going to hell in a handcart and those who believe the country is going to hell in a handbasket.

Some of the tenured class that sets the intellectual tone of the left concluded long ago that America was built by oppression, is sustained by white privilege and requires the cleansing purity of social revolution (however that is defined). In this story, capitalism accumulates inequities that will eventually lead the rich to eat the poor. The American Dream is an exploitative myth. Change will come only through a coalition of the aggrieved. And those who are not permanently enraged are not paying proper attention.


But, at least on the populist right, the social critique is every bit as harsh. In this story, America has fallen in a boneless heap from a great height. It is unrecognizable to people — mostly white people — who regard mid-20th-century America as a social and economic ideal. The country has been fundamentally altered by multiculturalism and political correctness. It has been ruined by secularism and moral relativism. America, says the Rev. Franklin Graham, is “on the verge of total moral and spiritual collapse.” And those who are not permanently offended are not paying proper attention.


A poll taken last year found that 72 percent of Donald Trump supporters believe American society and its way of life have changed for the worse since the 1950s. And the most pessimistic and discontented lot of all was white evangelical Protestants. Almost three-quarters believed the past 70 years to be a period of social decline.

Those of us who remember politics in the Reagan era have a mental habit of regarding conservatism as more optimistic about the American experiment and liberalism as more discontented. But representatives of both ideologies — in their most potent and confident versions — are now making fundamental critiques of American society. They are united in their belief that the United States is dominated by corrupt, self-serving elites. They are united in their call for radical rather than incremental change. While disagreeing deeply about the cause, they see America as careening off course. Little wonder that Americans consistently say their country in on the wrong track by a margin of more than 2-to-1. Disgruntlement is our nation’s common ground.

What group believes that American society has gotten better since the 1950s? About 60 percent of African Americans and Hispanics. On a moment’s reflection, this makes perfect sense. Compared with life 70 years ago — when much of the country was legally segregated — daily life has improved for racial and ethnic minorities. As it has for gays and women seeking positions of social and economic leadership.


Many conservatives have failed to appreciate the mixed legacy of modernity. In recent decades, the United States has seen declining community and family cohesion, and what former U.S. surgeon general Vivek H. Murthy calls “a loneliness epidemic.” “We live in the most technologically connected age in the history of civilization,” he says, “yet rates of loneliness have doubled since the 1980s.”

But the flip side of individualism is greater social freedom. Who would not prefer to be in a racially mixed marriage today compared with 70 years ago? Or to have biracial children? When conservatives express unreserved nostalgia for the 1950s, they are also expressing a damning tolerance for oppression. It does appear like a longing for lost privilege.

The alternative to disdain for American society on the left and right is not to sanitize our country’s history or excuse its manifold failures. It is to do what reforming patriots from Abraham Lincoln to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. have done: to elevate and praise American ideals while courageously applying them to our social inconsistencies and hypocrisies. “What greater form of patriotism is there,” asked President Barack Obama in his admirable 2015 Selma, Ala., speech, “than the belief that America is not yet finished, that we are strong enough to be self-critical, that each successive generation can look upon our imperfections and decide that it is in our power to remake this nation to more closely align with our highest ideals?”


And this might be matched with a spirit of gratitude — for a country capable of shame and change, and better than its grievances.
monolith

climber
state of being
Oct 10, 2017 - 06:19am PT
All owners? Let's see a Dallas Cowboy kneel during the anthem. Jones has already said it's mandatory to stand for the anthem. Let's see an Indie Colt kneel. They know what will happen if they do.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 10, 2017 - 07:15am PT
Of all the silly things to get worked up about ... kneeling during the anthem. Fer chrissake.

For some reason I’d always thought that participation in patriotic events were voluntary.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 10, 2017 - 07:46am PT
Amazing how fast the Ministry of Truth spins the propaganda cycle these days.

Got 50 dead in a very strange murder and it's just been about memory holed in less than a week once cracks appeared in the narrative.

What are the Kardashian's up to these days?
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 10, 2017 - 07:59am PT
I think it's worth reposting dirtbag's post.

Of all the silly things to get worked up about ... kneeling during the anthem. Fer chrissake.

For some reason I’d always thought that participation in patriotic events were voluntary.


Trump's trying to fire up his base against the "uppity" (black) NFL players who are showing disrespect.

I don't give a schist about the whole thing either, and Trump's approval rating just keep dropping.

President Donald Trump's approval ratings have dropped in every state since he took office, according to a large new poll released Tuesday by Morning Consult.

The poll, which surveyed 472,000 registered voters between January and September, also found a 19-point drop in Trump's net approval ratings nationwide.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/10/trumps-approval-ratings-drop-in-every-state.html
Jorroh

climber
Oct 10, 2017 - 10:03am PT
Ken M quoting Gerson.

"Some of the tenured class that sets the intellectual tone of the left concluded long ago that America was built by oppression, is sustained by white privilege and requires the cleansing purity of social revolution (however that is defined). In this story, capitalism accumulates inequities that will eventually lead the rich to eat the poor. The American Dream is an exploitative myth. Change will come only through a coalition of the aggrieved. And those who are not permanently enraged are not paying proper attention."

Classic straw man.... what complete and utter drivel.

Gerson is a great example of the virtual stampede of hypocritical right-wing pundits now trying to shirk their responsibility for the current state of conservative politics. Why listen to anything these guys (Will, D'Souza, Goldberg etc. etc. etc. ) say? They've proven their intellectual dishonesty over and over and over.
Yury

Mountain climber
T.O.
Oct 10, 2017 - 06:14pm PT
nah000:
from my perspective, given the repeated launching of missiles over japan's airspace, the directly above probably should have happened already, regardless of the fact that there would be widespread consequences/death...
It seems to me that the only logical direction for launching of a Korean ballistic missile is over Japan.

Japanese just need to get used to it.
Anyway, Americans were OK with such flights since October 4, 1957.
Why Japanese should be special?
drF

Trad climber
usa
Oct 10, 2017 - 08:44pm PT
Amazing how fast the Ministry of Truth spins the propaganda cycle these days.

Got 50 dead in a very strange murder and it's just been about memory holed in less than a week once cracks appeared in the narrative.

Fear...you are talking to zombies man. The story buried in less than a week...hhmm. The new norm?!?! The chumps here have moved onto the next distraction. NFL outrage!! They lap it up....lifeblood

On another thread the Crankloons are already taking about Donald part deux. Throwing in the towel already. Looozers

America is turning into the land of intardnet crankloon cowards
drF

Trad climber
usa
Oct 10, 2017 - 08:52pm PT
^^^^^
It's pretty simple fb

The ST mosh pit is more like a flea market situation

Frosty, I think you suffer from brain freeze no?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 10, 2017 - 08:55pm PT
Japanese just need to get used to it.
Anyway, Americans were OK with such flights since October 4, 1957.
Why Japanese should be special?

Really? Give a citation of ONE foreign missle flying over the US.
drF

Trad climber
usa
Oct 10, 2017 - 09:25pm PT
^^^
step 1 - stop blaming other people
step 2 - MTFU
step 3 - $50 please
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 10, 2017 - 10:19pm PT

Again I ask our best troll?

drF!

I sigh for your little life.

Puberty is hard for fat boys covered with pimples, especially when they live in Russia.

Please tell us, if you have any ST folks that will vouch that you are really not a fat, pimply, Russian teen, but instead a bitter old American loser?
beerlyman

Social climber
State of Confusion
Oct 10, 2017 - 10:27pm PT
So back at the duck........


Contractor

Boulder climber
CA

Oct 9, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
I agree with Werner that the US has helped plenty bad hombres throw elections or supported many a coup but I would consider any of the conspirators in those countries as traitors to their people.

I'm looking forward to seeing Trump in an orange jump suit.

Don't give a damn about what we did THEN. Change can embrace progress. Humans, crows, monkeys and many species on this planet can adapt to live better in their environment. I'm concerned with a president whom I feel will lose certain cognitive test to crows, monkeys and possibly lizards. I feel bad for insulting lizards now.................
beerlyman

Social climber
State of Confusion
Oct 10, 2017 - 10:31pm PT
Holy sh#t Cosmic you got me:


Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!

Sep 28, 2017 - 09:03pm PT
So maybe I'm missing it but shouldn't it be 'your'ignorant, racist etc...? I've gotten so used to misspellings from Trumpies that it seems a given that they cannot use the English language correctly.


LOFL
You must be one of those DRUNK Beer Swilling Trumpies, Beerly.

It's "you're" not "your"

That's some funny sh#t . Yep I probably wound about ten beers in me to have such a spelling mistake ;)

I still can't fathom supporting a president whom seems to come from a 13 year old perspective (and I think 13 is being generous ).
WBraun

climber
Oct 10, 2017 - 10:41pm PT
beerlyman -- I would consider any of the conspirators in those countries as traitors to their people.

Unbelievable how st00pid and brainwashed you people really are.

Dumber than even Trump.

You really should stop talking as you really are an embarrassment to humanity .....
beerlyman

Social climber
State of Confusion
Oct 10, 2017 - 10:44pm PT
^^^^
Nope duck that doesn't work with me. Don't feel like copy and pasting one of cosmic's quotes and attributing it to you.
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Oct 11, 2017 - 07:58am PT
he other candidate promised open borders, more illegals,

prove it, credible sources, enough of your delusional bs
WBraun

climber
Oct 11, 2017 - 08:57am PT
beerlyman drunk fool you have been supporting genocide all your life due to all that brainwashed garbage in your tiny little head ....

(Do not reply as we already know your lunatic useless drunk responses)
nah000

climber
now/here
Oct 11, 2017 - 11:50pm PT
Yury: gotta admit, given your, in general, conservative trending stances, i'm pretty surprised we ended up on opposite sides of the coin on even this subject...

quick hypothetical question for you: you okay with bullets shot from neighbors guns flying over your own personal house? or just larger and foreign power launched ordinance flying over someone else's home country?

[not to mention you're seriously making an equivalence between sputnik and a ballistic missile???]
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Oct 12, 2017 - 09:58am PT
Hey Nah000, we shoot ordinance over other people's countries all the time, with or without permission. In fact, we shoot at other countries all the time, and destabilize democratically elected leaders in other countries, and lay waste to other countries completely, on a very regular basis. Now what was your question again, and what was your point?
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