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jgill

Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
Oct 8, 2017 - 09:32pm PT

Had a conversation with a Korean War veteran, tonight. He said trump was a "sonofabitch"




^^^ New York Times headline.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Oct 9, 2017 - 07:54am PT

The British advertising and public relations company WPP has been one of the National Rifle Association’s most important political advocates in the last decade, with companies it owns collecting $1.46m (Ł1.1m) in lobbying fees since 2007 to further the US pro-gun group’s agenda.

At the same time as companies owned by WPP helped the NRA block gun control legislation in Washington, WPP sought to portray itself as being opposed to gun violence. A sustainability report on its website points to a 2013 pro gun-control advert that one of its advertising companies produced pro bono as part of WPP’s human rights work.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Oct 9, 2017 - 03:16pm PT
Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt announced Monday his agency's plans to withdraw the Clean Power Plan, the sweeping Obama-era rule regulating greenhouse gas emissions.

the EPA estimated the Clean Power Plan could prevent 2,700 to 6,600 premature deaths and 140,000 to 150,000 asthma attacks in children.

So cancelling it will results in approximately the same number of deaths of Americans, as on 9/11.

What do we think of someone willing to kill Americans, on the basis of adding jobs that are not particularly needed?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
Oct 9, 2017 - 03:33pm PT
The government , especially the god fearing republicans have never had any qualms about killing people , unless it comes to abortion and even then that hypocrite Murphy proved anything goes when it suits the conservative agenda...
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Oct 9, 2017 - 03:36pm PT
I voted for John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2011

not because I thought both parties were terrible but because I could never vote for a black for President

I voted for Donald Trump in 2016 not because I was protesting both parties but because I would never for or a woman

just don't call me a racist or a bigot, or ignorantly lazy because those words hurt my feelings

Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Oct 9, 2017 - 04:53pm PT
Based on his tax plan, the health care plans he's endorsed, the regulations he's eliminated, how many false promises he's made, the treason he committed with the Russians, Trump hates uneducated whites more than any politician I've ever seen.
WBraun

climber
Oct 9, 2017 - 05:15pm PT
the treason he committed with the Russians

There's no proof of any of that.

Just brainwashing by the corrupt intel agencies .....
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 9, 2017 - 05:32pm PT
Trump's popularity is slipping in rural America: poll by Reuters/Ipsos

It looks like my fellow rural-rubes are starting to figure out that Trump’s promises, performance, & moronic behavior are no longer worthy of support.

According to the Reuters/Ipsos daily tracking poll, the Republican president’s popularity is eroding in small towns and rural communities where 15 percent of the country’s population lives. The poll of more than 15,000 adults in “non-metro” areas shows that they are now as likely to disapprove of Trump as they are to approve of him.

In September, 47 percent of people in non-metro areas approved of Trump while 47 percent disapproved. That is down from Trump’s first four weeks in office, when 55 percent said they approved of the president while 39 percent disapproved.

The poll found that Trump has lost support in rural areas among men, whites and people who never went to college. He lost support with rural Republicans and rural voters who supported him on Election Day.
According to the poll, Trump’s overall popularity has dropped gradually, and for different reasons, this year.

Rural Americans were increasingly unhappy with Trump’s handling of healthcare in March and April after he lobbied for a Republican plan to overhaul Obamacare and cut coverage for millions of Americans.
In May and June, they were more critical of Trump’s ability to carry out U.S. foreign policy, and they gave him lower marks for “the way he treats people like me.”

In August, they were increasingly unhappy with “the effort he’s making to unify the country” after he blamed “both sides” for the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, in which a suspected white nationalist drove his car into a crowd of anti-racist demonstrators.

This chart shows net change in voter approval.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-ruralamerica-poll/trumps-popularity-is-slipping-in-rural-america-poll-idUSKBN1CE162

beerlyman

Social climber
State of Confusion
Oct 9, 2017 - 05:38pm PT
Her Braun what do you think of Manafort's giving manners lessons to known Russian thug Yanukovych in Ukraine right before he ran Trumps election?
WBraun

climber
Oct 9, 2017 - 05:43pm PT
What do you think of all the times the hypocrite US has meddled in so many elections of other countries and overthrew their govts.

Murdered their leaders and installed their own puppets and then got rid of them later also.

You people are the biggest hypocrites ever wagging your hypocrite self-righteous little fingers at everyone on the planet ....
dirtbag

climber
Oct 9, 2017 - 06:16pm PT
^^^What do I think?

Do unto others, but don't let them do unto you.

I'm fine with with that, actually.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Oct 9, 2017 - 06:24pm PT
Trump's popularity is slipping in rural America.

Yeah, but he is still loved by window washers who don't have healthcare.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 9, 2017 - 06:35pm PT
Boo hoo hoo...^^^
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Oct 9, 2017 - 06:39pm PT
stamp out ignorance

you LIE

prove it
Norton

climber
The Wastelands
Oct 9, 2017 - 06:46pm PT
I have never read even a summary of "Obamacare", what adults call the ACA

I admit I really don't know a damn thing about healthcare in America

I know how to complain, whine, and blame everyone but myself, I am too lazy to learn myself



I voted for John McCain in 2008 and Mitt Romney in 2011

not because I thought both parties were terrible but because I could never vote for a black for President

I voted for Donald Trump in 2016 not because I was protesting both parties but because I would never for or a woman

drF

Trad climber
usa
Oct 9, 2017 - 06:51pm PT
Do unto others, but don't let them do unto you.

I'm fine with with that, actually.

In response to WB's post. Dirtbag is good with us trampling/overthrowing other nation states.

Just don't inconvenience dBag with the backwash.

What a dBag!

dirtbag

climber
Oct 9, 2017 - 06:56pm PT
Sure. Not every time, or even most times, but I'm not hand wringing over the hypocrisy of it all.

Iraq, for example? No.
Iran circa 1954? NO.
Imperial Japan? Absolutely. Bad guys.
The Third Reich? Yep. Bad guys, too. Tried to wipe us and our allies out.

Other times? I don't know.

Tell us, wise Dr. F, your radical wisdom on this.
zBrown

Ice climber
Oct 9, 2017 - 07:19pm PT
What do you think of all the times the hypocrite US has meddled in so many elections of other countries and overthrew their govts.

Murdered their leaders and installed their own puppets and then got rid of them later also.


If I'm Kim Sing Song, then I be thinking "I want my nuclear weapons, not MTV".
-Steve Banana Republic Bannon

Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Oct 9, 2017 - 07:31pm PT
I agree with Werner that the US has helped plenty bad hombres throw elections or supported many a coup but I would consider any of the conspirators in those countries as traitors to their people.

I'm looking forward to seeing Trump in an orange jump suit.

nah000

climber
now/here
Oct 9, 2017 - 07:51pm PT
zBrown wrote: "If I'm Kim Sing Song, then I be thinking "I want my nuclear weapons, not MTV"."

bingo.

when the leader of the "free" world stands in front of the united nations and says and i quote that "The United States has great strength and patience, but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies, we will have no choice but to totally destroy North Korea." he justifies every act that ole kim jung not so dumb, has done and will likely continue to do.

and before i'm accused of being a peacenik, let me be clear: if the orange shIt gibbon had said that the u.s. would have no choice under the above circumstances but "to totally destroy the leadership structure of north korea", then fair enough.

from my perspective, given the repeated launching of missiles over japan's airspace, the directly above probably should have happened already, regardless of the fact that there would be widespread consequences/death...

but threatening to "totally destroy" a country of 25 million people?

in front of the united nations?

sorry, when you are the leader of, once again, the "free" world, the words you choose to speak mother fUcking matter.



the only conclusion i can come to, given that there wasn't a revolution the next day, is that the u.s. has collectively gone mad.

and that the only wall needing building is an iron dome over the u.s.

too bad that is as stupidly impossible as building a non sieve based wall between the u.s. and mexico.



in sum: god help us all. not necessarily in the very near future, but rather in the 5-10 year range if we all continue to go down this road of collective madness.

and that includes every allied country and individual contained within those allied countries, that continues to say nothing... we are as much contributors to this madness as every silent american citizen...



finally, my apologies for bringing god into this.

given the "free" world's actions over the last 70ish years...

there is no reason that i can see for her not to have completely washed her hands of us.
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