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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Aug 11, 2010 - 12:48pm PT
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Dr. F.-
The spiritual book I am reading at the moment is titled, Without Buddha I could not be a Christian. That should answer your questions in regard to my own interests.
As for other people's religion, that is not my business. They can believe anything they want. Whether it's true or not is not my concern. I am only responsible for my own theology and I feel no need to proselytize.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Aug 11, 2010 - 12:54pm PT
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I do not think in terms of 100% of anything.
I'm an anthropologist. I believe in cultural relativity.
I've lived in Asia for 30 years now.
I like the concept of the unity of opposites.
I believe in both/ and not either/or.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 11, 2010 - 01:18pm PT
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He was god to me in the sixties.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 11, 2010 - 01:20pm PT
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And some good Christian parents teach their children all about god:
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Aug 11, 2010 - 01:23pm PT
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It would be interesting to ask those kids to define what a fag was.
It might provide an Art Linkletter moment.
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Pate
Trad climber
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Aug 11, 2010 - 01:29pm PT
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It would be interesting to know how far these kids make it in life.
My guess is not very.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 11, 2010 - 01:30pm PT
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Jan said:
"As for other people's religion, that is not my business. They can believe anything they want. Whether it's true or not is not my concern. I am only responsible for my own theology and I feel no need to proselytize."
Well stated, makes good sense to me.
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lucaskrajnik
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Aug 11, 2010 - 02:44pm PT
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At least I can answer any question lobed at me, my belief system has a solid foundation, so that most questions put to it can be answered, or I could say I don't know
You have a solid foundation?, does it have a classification?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Aug 11, 2010 - 02:46pm PT
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Dr. F-
Are you bored today or what?
As for not fighting over religion, I've got 10 generations of Quakers standing behind me on my mother's side of the family. Peaceful coexistence, searching for one's inner light and recognizing it in others is what I was taught. Those same ancestors volunteered to nurse and bury without discrimination, Brits, Hessians, and Americans in 1776 and both Union and Confederates during the Civil War.
On my father's side I have four lines of French Huguenots who were Catharis before that - believed in non violence, reincarnation and vegetarianism until most were wiped out as heretics in 1209.
I definitely believe in freedom of religion!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Aug 11, 2010 - 04:43pm PT
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No.
No.
Like you, Dr. F, I believe in taking a stance in Believersville. For identification purposes. For solidarity, too. Actually, for lots of reasons.
Also, there are a bunch of principles I believe in. One of these: When you stand for everything, you stand for nothing.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 11, 2010 - 04:51pm PT
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I have a very good doctor friend, in fact he does the cortisone injections in my spine.
He was born, raised, and remains a real live modern day Quaker.
Clearly, he is very devout Christian.
I tell him that if I was a Christian, I would want to be a Quaker.
Quakers are incredibly tolerant people, they don't judge anyone, totally accept homosexuality for example, and believe in acting out in their lives the good teachings of Christians caring for others.
I admire him and his Quakerness, from what little I have learned of it.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Aug 11, 2010 - 05:00pm PT
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So Norton, as an outsider, how do you think they square their tolerant lifestyle with the warrior god Jehovah and Numbers 15 (Stone the Sabbath Breaker) and the general Laws of Deuteronomy and Leviticus (Stone them all, etc....), so many of which you posted? It is oxymoronic, isn't it, esp in light of what Jesus said about the Old Law being applicable still.
How did they handle adultery in the 19th century? Do you know? Were the Puritans and Quakers closely related in their American origins, can't remember, I'm getting old, I'll have to review.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 11, 2010 - 05:10pm PT
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Fructose, no clue on how they handled all those good questions.
I only know that one Quaker, and he has told me that he was raised to not take the bible literally, that clearly some ignorant humans added their own BS many years after Jesus died.
He ignores, does not to get into the contradictions in the bible, just believes the good stuff.
I find this a refreshing outlook, wish more Christians would see things the way he does.
And none of this shakes my own lifelong devout atheism.
We each tolerate and accept each other just fine. I like that!
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
Full Silos of Iowa
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Aug 11, 2010 - 05:18pm PT
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So if we could just set the Quakers loose on Al Qaeda, the Taliban and the Iranian ayatollahs, we might get some traction?
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Now that inspired a thought: What this Forum needs is a staunch fundamentalist Muslim climber to weigh in, to argue, and to take a beating.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 11, 2010 - 05:31pm PT
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Dr F, you do not know him, never met my friend.
You should not assume he would do, or not do anything, if he was on the forum.
Not all Christians are the same, he certainly is not.
I like him, and the clear morality that HE stands for.
And I will smash anyone who says otherwise with my cane.
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lucaskrajnik
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Aug 11, 2010 - 06:52pm PT
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I find it completely contradictory to not take the bible literally. As Dr. F has said, its either 100%correct or 100%wrong.
As anything, after debate, will be black or white.
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A person that says they live by these semi-literal rules, instantly proves the bible is a lie, and follows it ONLY for moral codes.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 11, 2010 - 07:41pm PT
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How do you do that?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 11, 2010 - 07:51pm PT
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Pate, got it, way cool, thanks.
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scarface
Trad climber
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Aug 11, 2010 - 09:07pm PT
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But you have to admit, Jan's a babe. I would've loved to had climbed Mt. Blanc with her. ;)
It is clear HCFS that you are a condescending misogynist. We know her thoughts don't pass your muster but since YOU deem her a babe, you'll give the little woman a pass. Pathetic. Please go crawl back into your paternal bog.
At least it informs me why you and Pate are so tight or is it Corn = Pate?
SF
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Aug 11, 2010 - 09:27pm PT
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F, then I read it wrongly.
My apologies.
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