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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Mar 22, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
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It is no more up to the fed govt to tell someone how many anythings they can buy than it is for me to tell you what you may or may not buy.
They limit how much of certain drugs you can buy, they limit the number of savings bonds you can buy, they limit the number of withdraws you can have from your savings or money market accounts...
They dont prohibit how much booze may be purchased by any one either.
they limit how much booze a legal adult can buy before they are 21, they require tags on all kegs, ... I'm sure there are more...
And all for good reason. And none of them result in anything more than a minor inconvenience... just like stricter legislation for gun purchases.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 22, 2013 - 06:33pm PT
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So has Obama taken all your guns away yet?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 22, 2013 - 07:26pm PT
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Some work for Hillary and then some for Julian Castro (currently mayor of San Antonio) eight years later. It will be down to shotguns or paintball....your pick.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Mar 22, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
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Two Teenage Boys Arrested in Georgia Baby Shooting Death
By LAUREN EFFRON | ABC News – 3 hrs ago
Two teenage suspects, one as young as 14, have been arrested in the shooting death of a 1-year-old Georgia boy, who was killed as his mother pushed him in a stroller, police announced today.
Chief Tobe Green of the Brunswick Police Department said that Demarquis Elkins, 17, and a 14-year-old unidentified suspect whose name has been withheld because of his age, were arrested early this morning in connection with the baby's death, and both have been charged with first-degree murder.
"We are still investigating the motive, but we are trying to turn every stone to make sure we get a motive," Green said.
Green declined to provide further details, other than to say it continued to be an open investigation, and that no weapon had yet been recovered.
Under Georgia law, Elkins is considered an adult, Green said, but the younger suspect is considered a minor.
"We are still following up on leads from our witnesses and are still involved in collecting evidence," Green said. Search warrants had been issued at three locations near Brunswick, which has a population of about 15,500 people.
Brunswick police, along with a SWAT team and various agencies, had launched a vast manhunt across the Glynn County area in search of the two teenage suspects after the shooting on Thursday morning.
Sherry West, the 41-year-old mother of the child, told police she'd been walking her 13-month-old son, Antonio, in a stroller Thursday morning through their Brunswick, Ga., neighborhood when two African-American boys approached her and demanded money. When she told them she didn't have any money, West said one of the boys pulled out a handgun.
"He said, 'I'm going to kill you if you don't give me money,' and I said, 'I swear I don't have any,"' West told WAWS-TV in Jacksonville, Fla.
West said she tried to shield her child with her arms, but the gunman shoved her and shot the baby in the head. West was shot in the leg.
Going on West's description, police said they began looking for two African-American boys between the ages of 10 and 15 years old since Thursday. No details about how the suspects were arrested were given.
Officer Todd Rhodes, a spokesman for the Brunswick Police Department, confirmed that the weapon used in the shooting was a handgun but declined to describe it further.
Since the shooting, police said 30 different leads had been called into the Brunswick Police Department and the Glynn County Police Department, or were submitted through email. Police said the Glynn County School Board Campus Police had been assisting law enforcement in combing school attendance records for leads.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 22, 2013 - 11:34pm PT
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Too bad there's no more death penalty for crimes committed by juviniles.
This piece of sh#t, however, is 18 - which makes him an adult for legal purposes, and he'll know the exact day and time of his own death far in advance because Georgia is one of those states who doesn't f--k around with the death penalty.
I doubt he lives to see thirty.
Old enough to have earned himself a seat in the Electric Chair, but not old enough to legally possess the handgun he used in the murder. See ya!
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 23, 2013 - 12:43am PT
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Monolith writes:
"Chaz posts the mug shot to clue us in on what he thinks killers generally look like."
Black-hair-brown-eyes is consistent with a majority of suspect descriptions in murder cases.
I wish it were different.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Mar 23, 2013 - 12:48am PT
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Chaz....what would be the physical description of the vast majority of the mass murderers and serial killlers in America? Male and white would fill the bill nicely.
Yes the death penalty.....revenge feels good but every First World Country, save one, has rejected the death penalty as archaic, barbaric and ineffective.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 23, 2013 - 01:14am PT
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jghedge writes:
"WHY do you insist that your idiotic, gun-fantasy world bubble is the only way?"
No tool works for every job. You tell me how a #3 Camalot would have made a difference. Even if I were carrying a concealed pistol, I wouldn't try to pull it on someone who has the drop on me ( unless maybe I had him convinced I was reaching for my cash ).
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 23, 2013 - 01:26am PT
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jghedge writes:
"So, again - why do you nuts insist that being armed is the only way?"
You're not seeing the whole picture.
Simply being armed isn't an end-all. Being armed is only one component of self-defense. One of many components.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 23, 2013 - 01:35am PT
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If you ever had to defend your life in an actual for real fight, would you rather be armed? Or un-armed?
By the way, when was the last time you were in a violent fight? Ever once?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 23, 2013 - 01:59am PT
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When was the last time you were in a violent fight?
P.J. O'Rourke put it best:
"you'd be crazy not to have a gun. Though, I assure you, all the crazy people have guns, too"
Works for me.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 23, 2013 - 02:15am PT
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jghedge writes:
"And why do the countries comparable to the US, where guns are outlawed, have the least gun murders?"
Like Mexico? How do you explain all the gun murders in Mexico? They have really strict gun laws.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Mar 23, 2013 - 02:29am PT
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Where I live, here in SoCal, we're a hell of a lot more like Mexico than any of the countries on your list. Therefore, if we adopt Mexican-style gun laws here, we'll get Mexico-style results. It's not a chance an intelligent person would want to take.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Mar 23, 2013 - 09:38am PT
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OK ok ,I lived in San Bernardino, Mexico, elsewhere in the US and in other countries on that list.
I would have to agree with Chaz that SoCal is most like mexico compared to other countries on that list (I've been to 19 of them).
Right now I live in one of the countries on that list. I don't agree that you guys could adopt our laws and get the great results we have. We adopted these laws when society was 1000 times better and smaller and more rural than the US is now. We had zero of the type of people that cause the problems with guns in the first place. This meant that we have had 60 years of building our cities and civilization without guns, without creating a vaccum, without a constitution that everyone thinks means we have a right to guns. When our gun laws came into effect, there weren't orders for billions of bullets and big gun companies selling as fast as possible. We didn't have the organized crime, or more than 4 cities over a million population when we restricted the types of guns that 72% of your crime is committed with. We didn't have 90% violent tv shows glamorizing weapons, video games weren't invented yet. We have NONE of the contributing factors. Sure, if you magically removed every gun from every bad guy in America you could get our results, but you haven't figured out magic yet, or a definition of bad guy.
Ignoring the reality of your current situation in it's entirety isn't magical.
To put this in perspective for other health professionals (not spazhedge or whomever gets pissy when an example is used), it is like saying we banned processed sugary drinks 100 years ago. Back then, everyone grew their own food, got exercise doing it, etc. Doing it now, in NY, isn't working so well. Even if they do it, your healthcare costs won't change since you have so many other contributing factors to your juvenile diabetes and other lifestyle sicknesses.
I think it would turn badly for you. But what do I know, I haven't lived in Burbank my whole life.
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monolith
climber
SF bay area
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Mar 23, 2013 - 09:41am PT
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Including the bodies hanging from freeway overpasses?
And cartel flash takeover of towns to exact revenge and message killings.
And if Mexico and SC are so much alike, why do so many Mexican nationals try to sneak in to SC and very few US nationals the other way?
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Mar 23, 2013 - 09:50am PT
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I've stayed in a condo where bodies were regularly hung from the ferris wheel across the street. Kinda ruins the day to wake up to that. Mafia.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Mar 23, 2013 - 10:01am PT
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We adopted these laws when society was 1000 times better and smaller and more rural than the US is now. We had zero of the type of people that cause the problems with guns in the first place. This meant that we have had 60 years of building our cities and civilization without guns, without creating a vaccum, without a constitution that everyone thinks means we have a right to guns. When our gun laws came into effect, there weren't orders for billions of bullets and big gun companies selling as fast as possible. We didn't have the organized crime, or more than 4 cities over a million population when we restricted the types of guns that 72% of your crime is committed with. We didn't have 90% violent tv shows glamorizing weapons, video games weren't invented yet. We have NONE of the contributing factors. Sure, if you magically removed every gun from every bad guy in America you could get our results, but you haven't figured out magic yet, or a definition of bad guy.
good points, tooth
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 23, 2013 - 11:10am PT
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We had zero of the type of people that cause the problems with guns in the first place.
Still had the same percentage of those people back then, but they didn't have the anonymity provided by the crowd and were usually dealt with swiftly and brutally.
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tooth
Trad climber
B.C.
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Mar 23, 2013 - 11:34am PT
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OK, our crime/homicide wasn't zero when our major gun laws were first enacted, but here's a picture of where they were at that time.
Similar trends. Dissimilar gun laws. If laws = homicide rate results, you would guess that both the US and Canada tightened gun laws in the '40's, and relaxed them in the 60's. Together. Simultaneously.
You would think that the two countries were similar, could be compared. Maybe let's have a look at the UK...
If you are so closed minded that the only factor in society you can see is death by gun, you will be fighting a loosing battle. There are more factors attached, more you have to deal with. You would be equivalent to a certain mayor outlawing big gulps to deal with juvenile diabetes. Sure, they do have a direct correlation, but they aren't the only factor. Sure, your argument is, well, what do you propose we do then? Ban all food but what you grow and prepare yourself? And that argument is, well, that of a simpleton.
Comparing US and Canada for gun crime and ignoring the fact that the US has 700% more people per capita incarcerated than Canada, half as many police per capita than Canada, higher overall crime, violence, etc. means that you truly do think that since one law was passed in one place and now that place has a different number than you do, that passing that same law will have the same effect on society. No, you have to change society, double your police force, reduce your crime rates by 1/7th, do all these other things to get to where we were 70 years ago, then get rid of the hand guns, and wait 70 years to be where we are today. You think there is a quick and easy way to do it with shock and awe, apache helicopters, but you were also in favor of Iraq/Afghanistan for the same reason! Keep living in your dream world.
EDIT: While i'd love to force my wishes on others (jk), I've simply moved to a place where the laws and crime rates are most to my liking. Maybe I should buy a gun (or expect a soldier to act with a gun in my place) and force my will on others. That'll work!
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