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WBraun
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Feb 27, 2009 - 12:02am PT
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So ....
The conclusion after all this bullsh'iting here is
You're toast.
Better start drinking that gold silver cocktail .......
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Feb 27, 2009 - 12:04am PT
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Maybe I'll bring Roy some vitamin M. I bet he hasn't tried that yet.
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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 12:05am PT
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We know I am toast Werner.
Nobody seems to be able to find the butter.
Or Ghee if you prefer...
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 27, 2009 - 12:11am PT
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Stop eating everything and just eat liquid rice. Basmati
You got blockage, you need to clean all the tubes and the blood.
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Feb 27, 2009 - 12:43am PT
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Mighty Hiker;....excellent and well thought out questions.....awesome feedback;...thanks....I can throw some light on these questions, as , I would image, others were wondering or thinking the same.
Portable toilets;....well, if someone brings one, we'll use it. I will announce (and probably have some written signs) saying, to save water and my septic tank, pee outside if possible, and lay pipe before ya come over if possible;...if not, feel free to " drop the kids off in the pool" .....I just had my septic pumped 1 or 2 years ago, so I should be mint.
Kegs;....You know, we buy kegs for parties here quite often;....it seems like they get foamy, and alot of beer is wasted, and if/when cops come, they think kegs encourage underage drinking.......I personally think people should just bring their own beverage;....and the boozers ALWAYS come prepared.....wouldn't consider NOT coming prepared......Kegs are stinky, and nobody ever wants to return them "when the day is done...."
Sound system......We have 2 or 3 options for the slideshow......one show inside (up to 150 people probably), or two shows inside ( if need be), or one big honkin' show outside, which is fine too, if it ain't windy.......all up to Sir Bullwinkler.......he can even wing it and make up his mind the night of.......as long as he has his computor, a place to plug in and a screen (which I have)....he's golden.....If someone has a PA system, that would be cool, but I don't think it's mandatory;....Dean if full of hot air and can spout enough to be heard.
Clean up;.....Our friends are cool, and ALWAY have, in the past, cleaned up after parties here.....get about 10 or 15 people the morning after for 30 min.....and the place is usually cleaner than before the guests arrived....it's never been an issue.....(and the hobos scramble for the recyclables anyways.....it's a windfall for the economically challenged.....)
Emergencies
Wing it......there will be doctors, dentists, lawyers, and Indian Chiefs......all emergencies will be covered in a need to know basis......and with Bullwinkle and Tucker Tech there.....well;...there is two experts in ALL SUBJECTS.....so we are good to go.
Sushi
Not my department......I'm sure the Sushi farmers will have a plan;.....it will be fun.
Money
The idea is to raise money to help out our friend , Roy , who is struggling with a physical disability, and needs help financially;....this is something we can all do..I realize that money is tight for everyone this day and age;...but never too tight to help a friend......it's not that big of a deal......$20.00 minimum, and for those who are blessed with more ch-ching than most, pony up more if you can......it's good karma, the right thing to do, and something that climbers, who are notorious cheap bastards, still are really good at;...sharing what they have with their ropemates......be it a beer, a ride, a tent, a meal, a rack, a lead, a shower, a place to crash,....and in this case, a few fins for a bro in need.
Bodyguard for Roy;......he's a ham;...he loves the attention.....he'll be like David Hasselhof in Europe;.....quite a popular guy.
As for my job......I'll probably do what I do before most big parties here at the Gordon Ranch;......maybe clean up the bathroom (that's a big maybe....), put the kids toys away so no one trips on them, tell Mayville he has a 2 drink maximum, and then I go climbing........
This place is perfect for a party;...lots of parking, lots of room, only a few neighbors within earshot, lots of room, big living room, not alot of stuff that can be broken, easy to find location....and with it being a one night only , one shot event....no permit needed.....it's just a party at a private residence.....cops are cool as long as their is NO UNDER AGE DRINKING....which is about the only thing that needs to be seen to.....There really isn't even much to prepare.....just the sushi stuff, but I think Doug and his crew are pros.......it's sort of just show up, have fun, eat, drink, and be merry....and help out Roy "Beadwagon" McClannahan.......
It's best to arrange your own lodging, but for the rummies.....sure....throw down a bag in the desert and sober up.....don't drink and drive ANYWHERE......don't even think about it......be vigil on this one too......
We are trying to have music too...that would be very cool....we shall see;...I'd love it.
See ya all soon;....it should be a fun one. It's sort of a no brainer as to being way fun;...the So Cal crowd is a fantastic comglamofunk of very wonderful humans;....we have gathered together in mass many times before with great fun , success, and lots of surprises........ Any question, comments or ideas....please call.
Todd Gordon (760) 366-9395
Please no dogs....this is a people party, and probably not the best party for kids either.....there will be enough childish behavior as it is...........my own kids will be elsewhere that evening as things start rolling.....
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Feb 27, 2009 - 01:16am PT
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Todd, Looks Good!
Just wish I were there. Say are yo practicing for the "Off Wydth Wyde One" That Russo is proselytizing +
I would arrive to cheer you on, and it'd be fun watchin the rest. Lynnie
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 27, 2009 - 01:35am PT
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Tar,
Sorry to be intermittent here - getting just slammed at work and just arrived here in Seattle for a technical conference through Sunday. Will get started on a cover early next week and think about how to get Dr. Perkins to look at this stuff ahead of time. Hang tough...
Joseph
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matisse
climber
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Feb 27, 2009 - 01:36am PT
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Roy,
Common things are common, and chronic forearm compartment syndrome isn't but that doesn't mean you can't have it. most if not all the common stuff has been ruled out, so you gotta go looking for exotica if you want to figure this out.
I can't second guess the people who have seen you, all I can say is that although chronic forearm compartment syndromes are rare, I don't think they can be excluded unless pressures are measured. Medicine is so subspecialized and so much of it is focused on the treatment of really sick barely alive people that sometimes this stuff goes by the wayside. All vascular surgeons are not equal. They may be great at the daily stuff and the trauma not that hot at sport med aspects. or maybe they are the greatest..whichever it is another look might be helpful. if the one you are seeing is interested in working through this, then maybe persist with them. if you are getting the brush off, time to find a new one. Sounds like your family doc is a good guy.
Patience and persistence, and ultimately most people find their answer one way or another. Good luck.
edited to add that brachial arterial entrapment or ulnar arterial entrapment could do it too.
also I've never seen a forearm one but I've seen a billion lower leg ones. once they get established you don't have to do much to get em, and they don't go away much after exercise., they just kind of hurt all the time
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Feb 27, 2009 - 08:02am PT
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Todd
Wouldn't that be Cosmic with the porta potty
attached to the back of his truck?
hee hee hee. . .
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Feb 27, 2009 - 09:55am PT
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Thanks for puttin' it all into prospective Todd. Yeah the point here is to raise some ducats for the Roy Boy and his Misses. Lookin forward to the evening with all the knuckleheads at your compound. So gracious of you and the boys to organize this event, I'm sure everything will work itself out that evening! Shoot me an email as to how I can help, I'll be out early that weekend and will come on over to help dig the pee and poop pit!
Peace
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DanaB
climber
Philadelphia
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Feb 27, 2009 - 11:19am PT
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Hi Roy,
I can't post the articles, but I'll make copies and send them to you. I have your mailing address from a previous post.
Dana
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DanaB
climber
Philadelphia
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Feb 27, 2009 - 11:59am PT
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Also, if compartment syndrome seems possible, don't hesitate to contact the authors of the articles; they would almost certainly be very willing to speak to your physician and there should be contact information at the heading of each reprint.
Dana
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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 12:14pm PT
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Dana,
Thanks for popping those in the mail.
Yes, as CCS of the forearm is clearly so rare, contacting those surgeons who've encountered and remedied it is exactly what I need to do.
Matisse,
Good input on what I don't present and on underscoring that CCS leads to persistent fatigue even in the absence of exercise.
"brachial arterial entrapment or ulnar arterial entrapment could do it too."
I hadn't come across ulnar arterial entrapment yet.
And again, as you and a few others have offered: underscoring the importance of accepting uncommon/incomplete presentation is key to staying on the diagnostic path and maintaining an open vigilance.
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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 12:25pm PT
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As puzzles go, I think it's worth considering that I may be subject to something more along the lines of a syndrome.
I say this because I have potentially so many overlapping inputs to this disability.
Notwithstanding that I haven't tested ICP or undergone CT angiogram, nor consulted with those surgeons who dealt with such a rare form of compartment syndrome, isolation of straightforward etiology may be elusive.
Here is yet another clue which I have not outlined:
I have advanced gum disease, (due to Bruxism), which is increasingly being linked to risk for cardiovascular disease, and potentially for autoimmune problems. It's in remission, because I've undergone all kinds of efforts to stabilize it; such as oral surgery, orthodontics, and equilibration.
At times my physician, the guy who is big on interpreting deep level blood work, nutritional values, their support of various energy production cycles (Krebs cycle, cytochrome system, methylation & etc), has been adamant that he sees evidence of gum infection activity in my blood work, even though the oral surgeon says I'm stabilized. I believe elevated monocytes or IGM level is the indicator.
Sure enough, just recently, currently in fact, I'm back in the loop with the periodontist.
All along I've been really curious if a static/progressive microvascular congenital defect or disease might be at play. And I have to underscore how poorly my peripheral vascular system copes with cold exposure. I'm ridiculously intolerant in this arena.
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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 12:45pm PT
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Not even to mention toxicity from plastics and petrochemicals, which of course is controversial, and equally controversial is chelation therapy to strip them out.
These are inferred from my IGE level in the Queen panel up thread.
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WBraun
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Feb 27, 2009 - 12:53pm PT
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I told you have blockage.
You also can not drink any alcohol or coffee. No meat of any kind no fish either. Fish eat all kinds of nasty stuff.
No eggs as they are very bad for you.
You need to get very very clean .....
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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 01:00pm PT
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Barring any straightforward mechanical etiology, which wasn’t coming up in numerous exams with a handful doctors from a diverse set of foci, I entertained the alternative inquiry into some of the perhaps less well supported type of analysis, as summarized below.
How many physicians can actively interpret the nine pages of data posted up thread, along with the composite analysis risk factors outlined below?
Obviously none of this directly relates to any particular pain such as I present in my arms locally, but if this is a syndrome, comprising numerous overlapping causal factors within my life experience…
From August 2007:
Presumably some, but not all, of this has been rectified,
as indicated by my retest of the organic acid portion of the initial data, posted up thread.
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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 01:02pm PT
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Werner,
Essentially that sounds like a macro biotic diet without the fish.
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WBraun
climber
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Feb 27, 2009 - 01:04pm PT
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Macro biotic diet is bullsh'it too.
It will kill you.
You need some dairy but not over do it.
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Tarbuster
climber
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Feb 27, 2009 - 01:11pm PT
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I can appreciate various forms of elimination diets and have engaged in a few.
For six months I ingested zero alcohol, coffee, red meat, and dairy. I did intake wild salmon.
I was careful to choose fruits and vegetables low in acid and low in glycemic index.
I did this as an attempt to achieve more alkalinity.
Yes at a point you just have to try things.
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