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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Jul 18, 2016 - 06:06pm PT
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Maybe he was going to hang himself.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jul 20, 2016 - 05:39pm PT
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Per the link to the below article, it appears some Oregon Republicans pushed their agenda for stealing OUR public lands into the Republican campaign platform.
If you currently enjoy your access to OUR public lands, it would be a very good idea to not vote Republican.
GOP Platform Supports Transferring Western Public Lands To States
The new language in the platform, approved Monday, states:
“Congress shall immediately pass universal legislation providing for a timely and orderly mechanism requiring the federal government to convey certain federally controlled public lands to states. We call upon all national and state leaders and representatives to exert their utmost power and influence to urge the transfer of those lands, identified in the review process, to all willing states for the benefit of the states and the nation as a whole. The residents of state and local communities know best how to protect the land where they work and live.”
http://www.opb.org/news/series/election-2016/republican-platform-public-land-privatization/
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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The Bundy's keep proving they are short on smarts...Jail behavior 101...Don't mess with the jailers...
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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ooooh!
Less than a month away, the trial beckons!
I can't wait to hear about this one!!!!
Of course, they're all probably going to be judged insane. . .
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Aug 10, 2016 - 07:10am PT
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I am far from a right winger, but I agree that in the western states, federal land is just all over the place. So is state land, for that matter, if you pull out a Trails illustrated area map, and look at land ownership, You will see these tiny islands of private lands, surrounded by state or federal lands.
These aren't national parks, wilderness study areas, or even particularly interesting tracts of land.
Then look at land costs in the nice areas of the west. Super high. I think that the feds (and the states) should make SOME of that land available, and not to rich land grabbers. Perhaps a lottery system, or something similar to the Homestead Act.
Alaska stopped homesteading long ago, yet the feds and the state own zillions of acres. I wish that they would renew the homestead act there, and in places across the west. Sure, keep sensitive areas wild, but a lot of this land is just there, like a checkerboard pattern. Eastern Utah is like that. It literally looks like a checkerboard with state and federal lands holding most of the land.
I'd love to go homesteading. I was just born a little too late for Alaska Homesteading. Buying land in Alaska is a hell of a lot more expensive than you would think.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Aug 10, 2016 - 07:14am PT
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When you're ready to homestead I can put you in contact with the last American to do it. And he can talk you out of it. Ha.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Aug 10, 2016 - 08:49am PT
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It's not really that expensive to buy land in AK. Although I guess expensive is relative to your income and your subjective opinion of what "expensive" is.
2500-8500 for 1-5 acres, depending on the location and the deal.
One of the lots on the state land sale site ( Glenallen area) is 4 acres for 8500. Only a half mile from a road.
I have a friend, who happens to be a world class ice carver, who's been homesteading outside of McCarthy for the last 12 years. His place is sweet. They love it out there, especially in the summer.
Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
Aug 10, 2016 - 07:14am PT
When you're ready to homestead I can put you in contact with the last American to do it. And he can talk you out of it. H
I didn't realize P.H. wasn't American. I'll have to let him know you revoked his citizenship, Lil Bang Bang.
Homesteading in AK isn't dead, the world is just full of stoopid pussies, as Werner would say.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Aug 12, 2016 - 09:41am PT
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I want a place in the Arctic. I surf the websites showing every property for sale in Alaska, and you NEVER find properties there on those sites. Even Zillow, which is the Google of properties, shows nothing.
I'm sure that if I were in a village, I'd be able to buy a lot, but they don't get advertised.
Zillow rules, though. You can find cheap off grid land even in popular areas, such as the areas around Yellowstone, which is a wonderful area.
You can buy a mobile home for less than 20 grand, in decent shape. I don't even need that. I had a buddy who had young children. He built a deck and put a Teepee up on it while he built their house. He was a great carpenter.
There must be a ton of old homesteads for sale somewhere. A majority of those who did homestead eventually left.
I'm not sure if I could handle Arctic winters. The darkness would suck. Summer is great other than the bugs.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Aug 12, 2016 - 09:47am PT
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I didn't realize P.H. wasn't American. I'll have to let him know you revoked his citizenship, Lil Bang Bang.
Homesteading in AK isn't dead, the world is just full of stoopid pussies, as Werner would say.
Homesteading is dead. Thanks for playing.
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climber
away from the ground
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Aug 12, 2016 - 10:16am PT
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Base- Check out Bud Helmricks books about flying and homesteading in the Arctic. I did some work on his place in Walker lake. Sweet pad.
Lil Bang Bang- You've got some on your chin, you ingorant nut rest.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Aug 12, 2016 - 10:18am PT
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Oh yeah, and Base if you want to get in touch with the last american to homestead, let me know......
Shooting jacks tonight F. Wanna come with?
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climber
away from the ground
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Aug 12, 2016 - 10:33am PT
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No thanks, sugar tits. I'm going climbing tonight. You remember when you used to do that, right? Before you took on the full time crusade of defending your FREEDUM!! on the interweb all day?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 12, 2016 - 10:40am PT
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41 days of glory.
210 days, and counting, of wishing they weren't such amazing freedom fighters and epic idiots.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Aug 13, 2016 - 01:33pm PT
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Animal Planet, and then the Discovery Channel did a 6 part series this year and last year called "The Last Alaskans." It was about 3 families who still lived in the Arctic Refuge because their homesteads were there before the refuge was expanded (doubled) in 1979. They keep their permits until the death of their last child.
It was an awesome series. I've been pretty close to one of the families. Within 50 miles or so.
They are all big trappers. They spend the summer in town making money, and then go out in September, shoot a moose for the winter, trap all winter, then go back in the spring, before breakup, to sell their furs and re-stock. It was an awesome series. If you can find any way to watch it online, by all means, watch it.
http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/the-last-alaskans/the-last-alaskans-videos/
There are a bunch of bogus shows about Alaska on TV, but this one was super well done. I had already read a book about one of the trappers, and it was great to see and hear him talk about living up there. He called it as free of a life as you could live.
I've spent a lot of time in the Arctic, but it was all during summer. I suspect that they go to town during this period because the bugs are so bad, and fur is no good because the animals are shedding. I saw a wolf that was shedding like crazy one day. All trapping pretty much happens in the winter.
I love that area, on the south side of the Brooks Range. I once saw a parcel for sale adjacent to the Venetie Reservation, but it was 75 grand, and I've already got a house payment. I'm not rich enough to just leave and go buy that place.
If I had it to do all over again, I'd have gotten a piece of land up there before they installed the parks and Wilderness areas, to be grandfathered in as an inholding. I'd hate the idea of it becoming a popular area, though. What makes that part of Alaska special is how rare humans are. Like most of those people, I'd never do it alone. I like to do things alone, but I'm a normal person, and we are geared towards having a companion at the least.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Aug 13, 2016 - 01:40pm PT
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The Bundy's and their friends have a totally whacky view of the constitution. They are big in the Sovereign Citizens movement.
Some Mormons are super whacky. That guy Warren Jeffs is insane, having dozens of wives, some in their early teens. He is now in prison in Texas. They had a compound there, and he is serving time for raping a 12 year old girl. One of his wives.
Now this isn't Bundy's attitude, but he more or less ran cattle all the way down to Lake Meade, and many of his cattle were "slicks" that hadn't been branded, inoculated, or probably laid eyes on. You can't run very many cattle on land that poor. Not enough food and too much impact. The place to run cattle is in the plains or Midwest.
A buddy of mine sent me this Rolling Stone article a few months ago. To get an idea of how whacked out some of these people are, you MUST read it. Once you start reading, you won't be able to stop. I think that they guy who was shot was from the polygamist area.
Anyway, You HAVE to read this story of the polygamist group in Utah. They are as bad as the Branch Davidians. This story is freaking awesome:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/a-polygamist-cults-last-stand-the-rise-and-fall-of-warren-jeffs-20160209
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Aug 13, 2016 - 01:45pm PT
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Well now. Wiki has a page on the Refuge standoff. Wiki has become an incredibly accurate source of info. I use it all of the time in science, if there is something out of my field that I need to be broadly aware of. I haven't found a mistake. Ever.
So this is probably a good account of what happened. It sounds OK to me:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Topic Author's Reply - Aug 13, 2016 - 04:41pm PT
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Jon Krakauer's excellent book Under the Banner of Heaven is a great look at Mormonism
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Coach37
Social climber
Philly
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Aug 13, 2016 - 04:55pm PT
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That Rolling Stone video above the article says the FLDS are talking about abandoning the town.
Please do, polygs! Should be able to pick up a 9 bedroom compound, in amazing red rock country for next to nothing if 3/4 of the town just picks up and leaves all at once.
I know quite a few mormons, not FLDS types, just run of the mill mormons. They always came across to me as very nice folks, and healthy. Organized religion of any stripe seems insane to me, but as long as they aren't trying to convert me by force or kill me, they can believe whatever gets em through the night.
There was an HBO (I think, maybe showtime) fictional drama series called "Big Love" some years back that was based around a mormon polygamist family. Seemed loosely based on the Jeffs thing. Bill Paxton was the male protagonist/patriarch if I remember right.
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